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re: ExxonMobil withdraws ITEP requests, future Baton Rouge expansion in question

Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31714 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

His Master’s Degree is in Social Policy


Well, obviously much better credentials on this topic than a preeminent PhD economist. Maybe he should go back and help those blokes with Brexit
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6054 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:13 pm to
City of St. George loves Exxon.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14511 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

So we're all in agreement that welfare is bad, unless it's corporate welfare, in which case it's good. Just trying to keep up.


It depends. Is the welfare recipient giving you back 50 times a year what you give to them?
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11764 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:28 pm to
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This gives local government more control over which industries they attract and the power to reward businesses that contribute more to the local economy.



The government should not be picking winners and losers. It should be a fair system. Not one ripe for corruption and cronyism.
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4599 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 3:09 pm to
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So, does this mean you support JBE changing the system and giving local governments control over approving or denying the exemption? Because up until this past summer, the local government had no control at all over this.



Yes, I do. My reason is because it's local government that is losing out on the taxes so they should be the ones to decide. Also, it's good enough for Texas and almost every other state so why not LA?

quote:

In both instances, the government is collecting 1 million from the refinery. There is no shortfall.



You're proposing lowering the industrial tax rate. The shortfall doesn't come from the refinery that would have had exemptions anyway, it comes from the other businesses that would normally not have exemptions now being taxed at the lower rate.

Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49587 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:00 pm to
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City of St. George loves Exxon.



If in fact there becomes a city of St George it loses as much as BR if Exxon decides to halt expansion.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:10 pm to
$2.9m is like a rounding error to Exxon

This is about more than that small amount of money. They probably see the direction of the city and the leadership.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11764 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:17 pm to
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This is about more than that small amount of money. They probably see the direction of the city and the leadership.


Too bad places like BR Business Report didn't see this coming.
Posted by Buckshot24
Gonzales, La.
Member since Oct 2012
264 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:29 pm to
TBR is a left wing bunch of nut jobs that have to be stopped and ran out of Louisiana!!!
Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
6508 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 4:50 pm to
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His Master’s Degree is in Social Policy


Well, obviously much better credentials on this topic than a preeminent PhD economist. Maybe he should go back and help those blokes with Brexit





He wouldn't be the first policy wonk to flout London School of Economics as if he's an economist but really has a one year masters in something else.

TBR would have us all in a modern day share cropping alternative of some farmer co-op than a real job. What they sell is no different than the lottery - dreams.
Posted by AA77
Member since Jan 2016
3830 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:18 pm to
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FWIW, Broderick Baggert (of TBR fame) has a Masters degree from London School of Economics. Does that make him an expert too?


FWIW this is not as good of answer as you think it is.
Posted by djangochained
Gardere
Member since Jul 2013
19118 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:20 pm to
What a dumb post
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34200 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 6:12 pm to
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What a dumb post


Overall pretty good discussion though, except for a few jackass comments.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
72827 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 6:24 pm to
just in case anyone from TBR has only read this page (or just needs to be reminded):

Baton Rouge WITH XOM, DOW, & LSU.



Baton Rouge WITHOUT XOM, DOW, & LSU.



and that's honestly being disrespectful to good ol' Donaldsonville.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 7:44 am
Posted by Lsuhack1
Member since Feb 2018
866 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:19 am to
If he had any degree in economics then he would realize that increasing the GDP of an area is the only way to truly improve the standard of living. If you can 1 democracy/republic that has a higher per capita gdp than Louisiana and is worse off. Teachers are paid less, students are given worse educational opportunities, economic situations are worse, etc....
I would bet Broderick can’t even tell you the formula for figuring out a regions gdp.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46268 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:23 am to
Baton Rouge area legislators drafting bill to return ITEP to state control

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Two Republican state lawmakers plan to file legislation that would return sole authority of the Industrial Tax Exemption Program back to the state, essentially restoring the process in place before Gov. John Bel Edwards’ 2016 executive order gave local governments a say in granting the property tax exemptions.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40170 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:04 am to
While I understand the frustration from these two reps... returning it to state control is a HUGE mistake.

We should continue to focus on removing local decisions from state control. We should be continuing to remove state influence and the size of state government.

The state should not be giving out local property tax exemptions.

This is another example of so-called "GOP" legislators wanting to further the Huey P style of big state government.

What these two reps should be doing is working on getting pressure on these school board members, and looking for people to run against them in the next election.

Also...

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The school board rejected the requests, saying the property tax exemptions in question were for projects the oil and gas giant had already completed.


I don't think this is getting enough play. The school board thinks that gave them leverage, but they are ignoring that XOM has leverage in the form of placing future projects. But before everyone freaks out, I'd like a company to toss a new ITEP project before the school board and see how they vote.
Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
6508 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:08 am to
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While I understand the frustration from these two reps... returning it to state control is a HUGE mistake.




Letting a school board have the first say in determining if multi-billion dollar projects locate in your parish is an equally, if not worse, mistake.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40170 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:17 am to
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Letting a school board have the first say in determining if multi-billion dollar projects locate in your parish is an equally, if not worse, mistake.


1) They don't have the "first say". The state must approve the application first.

2) There are multiple jurisdictions that have to vote on whether to grant ITEP for the taxes they charge. EBRSB just happened to be the first to cast votes on this one.

3) The school board should be the final decision-maker on the taxes that they actually assess and collect.

Do you think an unelected board of DC bureaucrats should be able to tell Louisiana what it can charge and what exemptions it must grant? Because that would be the same as this.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:19 am
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11764 posts
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:20 am to
I am not saying I disagree with you. But, are we really comparing School Boards to US Congress/President? I mean I know they suck but local School Boards are well below them on economics and finance.
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