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re: EV owners are increasingly frustrated with home charging, and it should worry EV makers
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:55 pm to ragincajun03
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:55 pm to ragincajun03
No shite
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:00 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:That's what I do.
I would suspect this is what most families will do...have one EV that is efficient and meets their needs 90% of the time and a second traditional vehicle which meets their needs 100% of the time.
quote:I don't know, just depends on what you're comparing it to. If you're comparing to a similarly priced vehicle in that same class, it's generally pretty advantageous to go with the EV if you are in a situation where it is practical to have one.
The trouble is that most families will also expect the EV to function as the regular vehicle, with all the bells and whistles, and with those expectations the costs are going to be significantly higher initially and comparable in operating costs over a 5 year or so period. The cost difference initially is impractical, in my opinion.
I'm also not entirely sure a huge % of people who buy EVs are truly doing so absolutely because it saves money on gas, maintenance, etc. I know I didn't. It's great that it provides that extra value and maybe, sure, it had some factor in the decision, but it wasn't a major factor for me.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:03 pm to AwgustaDawg
some quick research...5 year cost to own a gasoline Mitsubishi Mirage is $31,257. Thats the lowest priced MSRP for a gasoline powered vehicle in the US for 2023.
The same lowest priced EV is a Chevy Bolt. Cost to own is $36,832. This includes the tax credit, of your eligible and the dealer doesn't get it instead of you.
You can but a mirage today for MSRP. You can drive it home tonight. Most likely not the case for the Bolt with market adjustments and severely limited availability due to demand. Also unlikely to get the tax credit because most likely the dealer is going to add the market adjustment AND the tax credit if you want the tax credit so its going to cost you the same either way.
The mirage is a known quantity. Apparently a good commuter but a shitty driving experience over all. The Bolt is similar. An extra $1000 per year on a gamble is not practical to most folks....
The same lowest priced EV is a Chevy Bolt. Cost to own is $36,832. This includes the tax credit, of your eligible and the dealer doesn't get it instead of you.
You can but a mirage today for MSRP. You can drive it home tonight. Most likely not the case for the Bolt with market adjustments and severely limited availability due to demand. Also unlikely to get the tax credit because most likely the dealer is going to add the market adjustment AND the tax credit if you want the tax credit so its going to cost you the same either way.
The mirage is a known quantity. Apparently a good commuter but a shitty driving experience over all. The Bolt is similar. An extra $1000 per year on a gamble is not practical to most folks....
Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:39 pm to Armymann50
I don’t know of anyone dumb enough to buy an EV.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:40 pm to ragincajun03
Soooooooooo Glad lithium batteries are recyclable. 
Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:41 pm to ragincajun03
EV cars will start to be crunched by the federal government, demanding that they get lighter and smaller and require less energy to recharge.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:48 pm to Armymann50
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buying one of these makes you an automatic idiot
I'm going to buy one in about four months when I'm in my new home with two 50 amp 240 volt charging circuits in the garage.
I put about 4,000 miles per year on my car, and my longest mission is a one hour drive (two hours round trip). I have a 1.5 mile commute to work. We have another big ICE SUV that we would use if we ever had to go anywhere farther, like an evacuation. But we evacuate via plane, so that's not likely.
Cost is meaningless, since this will be a negligible item in our budget. And, oh yeah, the EV car I buy will outperform every ICE vehicle on the market in every category, except range and cost, which are both non-factors for me.
So what makes me an automatic idiot? Can you please show me the error in my plan?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:54 pm to 1MileTiger
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BIL bought one and charges it daily at his office. He works for VISA and they provide free EV chargers. This is the ONLY scenario where this works.
Nonsense! This is not my scenario, and my scenario will work elegantly. See post above.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 1:57 pm to AwgustaDawg
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electrically speaking there is no cost advantage to charging at 120 volts compared to 240 volts. 50% of the current on 2 conductors equals 100% on one conductor.
Geez! Your basic point is correct, but your explanation is hilarious.
Whether 240 or 120 (assuming single phase) both have two wires and in both cases both wires carry the full current. It is the current that changes because VI^2 = power in both cases. So if you raise the voltage the current will go down to provide the same power.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 2:09 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I want to buy into EVs. I like the idea and would buy one today if it were practica
Me too. I'd love to buy a bottom of the line cheap 10k EV like they have in Europe just to run back and forth to work for 10 miles every day. The problem is EV's are a status symbol in America. It's all about the clout of being able to afford the proof you're socially acceptable and care.
Trust me.... if they were to go in with basically a super golf cart that could go around 55mph with right at a 100 mile range for under 10k it would sell off the shelves. But then it wouldn't do much for the status the rich EV owners possess right now.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 2:10 pm to Penrod
quote:He can't explain it logically, other than to just say, "just cause you are!"
I'm going to buy one in about four months when I'm in my new home with two 50 amp 240 volt charging circuits in the garage.
I put about 4,000 miles per year on my car, and my longest mission is a one hour drive (two hours round trip). I have a 1.5 mile commute to work. We have another big ICE SUV that we would use if we ever had to go anywhere farther, like an evacuation. But we evacuate via plane, so that's not likely.
Cost is meaningless, since this will be a negligible item in our budget. And, oh yeah, the EV car I buy will outperform every ICE vehicle on the market in every category, except range and cost, which are both non-factors for me.
So what makes me an automatic idiot? Can you please show me the error in my plan?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 2:24 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 3/28/23 at 5:53 am to Penrod
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Can you please show me the error in my plan?
Your mind is made up. If you can't see that in 7-10 years this car will be in a junk yard adding to the problem there is no helping you and your kind.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 5:56 am to ragincajun03
EVs are not meant to be better than gas, nor are they meant to be owned by everyone.
EVs are about centralizing control and controlling consumption.
EVs are about centralizing control and controlling consumption.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 5:58 am to ragincajun03
I own two teslas. Charge at home all the time. Maybe raises my electric bill by $40/$50/month. Beats the hell out of spending a few hundred on gas each month.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 5:58 am to jmarto1
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Why didn't you get a hotel that included charging?
In case you haven’t stayed in a hotel, every dipshit with a beater parks in those spots and the hotel does nothing about it.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:11 am to MyRockstarComplex
Have the idiots that claim they can charge their EVs on generators or solar panels joined the chat yet? These are the morons who have never owned an EV as they have no idea about amperage, stability, and error codes. My favorite is when they finally concede that the stability would force them to trickle down to 110v and would take over 4 days to get back to full charge...if you don't get blinked out/error code along the way...which you absolutely would.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:16 am to MyRockstarComplex
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In case you haven’t stayed in a hotel, every dipshit with a beater parks in those spots and the hotel does nothing about it.
Just casually walk by and drop a couple nails near their tires
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:25 am to ragincajun03
There will be major difficulties implementing green energy in a world devolped and designed to function using infrastructure presently in place. Biden and his green loving rich friends think we can turn a switch and it's done. Well thought out investment and planning is needed to make this switch happen. Much of this development will be driven by the market.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:33 am to lake chuck fan
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There will be major difficulties implementing green energy in a world devolped and designed to function using infrastructure presently in place. Biden and his green loving rich friends think we can turn a switch and it's done. Well thought out investment and planning is needed to make this switch happen. Much of this development will be driven by the market
"We'll only need fossil fuels and gas for maybe 10 more years, tops." -Potato, 2023 State of the Union
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