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re: Euro Court of Human Rights: 10 month old baby to be taken off life support
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:11 pm to Tbonepatron
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:11 pm to Tbonepatron
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I would find every "person" on this Court of Human Rights and murder them painfully.
Sounds like a plot to a DC film.
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:11 pm to ghost2most
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If Bill Gates' kid has a disease that causes them intense pain 24/7, they are mute, can't breathe, can't talk, can't eat, can't move, but he has the money to keep them alive on his own dime forever, should he be allowed to?
No.
It's not just a matter of money, it's quality of life or lack thereof.
I trust the doctors to make this decision based on science rather than the emotion of the parents
And that would be your decision to make with your kid as it would be with Bill Gate's kid. Either way it's not for the gubment to decide.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:12 pm to ghost2most
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If Bill Gates' kid has a disease that causes them intense pain 24/7, they are mute, can't breathe, can't talk, can't eat, can't move, but he has the money to keep them alive on his own dime forever, should he be allowed to?
No.
It's not just a matter of money, it's quality of life or lack thereof.
I trust the doctors to make this decision based on science rather than the emotion of the parents.
Completely and utterly disagree. I do not trust the government with open ended things like "quality of life".
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:13 pm to ghost2most
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If Bill Gates' kid has a disease that causes them intense pain 24/7, they are mute, can't breathe, can't talk, can't eat, can't move, but he has the money to keep them alive on his own dime forever, should he be allowed to?
No.
Completely and vehemently disagree.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:17 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Agree to disagree.I trust science over a postman to diagnose the child.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:18 pm to ghost2most
So should abusive parents be able to keep their child because you don't trust the government?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:20 pm to MSMHater
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i don't think you'll ever have enough people willing to give up life/death decisions to financial actuaries
We have that now. Do you think an insurance company would pay for this treatment?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:20 pm to ghost2most
The low IQs blaming this on socialized medicine.. Lol
I can't stop laughing
I can't stop laughing
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:21 pm to ghost2most
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I trust science over a postman to diagnose the child.
The frick are you talking about? I'm not talking about diagnosis.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:23 pm to magildachunks
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Terry Schiavo
Don't tell me you are one of those whack jobs that sided with the parents.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:23 pm to magildachunks
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Terry Schiavo
Man, thanks for that flashback in history. I remember that EVERYONE had a different opinion on that situation. "Who could pull the plug? The husband of the parents".
And right, different situation here. The parents are in agreement in this case.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:23 pm to Lacour
The bad part is that they won't let the child go home to die.
Why not?
Why not?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:25 pm to ghost2most
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So should abusive parents be able to keep their child because you don't trust the government?
Heh.
USA Today Article
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At about 4:55 p.m. ET Sunday, Montgomery County police received a call to check on the welfare of Danielle and Sasha Meitiv's children — Rafi, 10, and Dvora, 6 — at a park here. Officers found the children unattended and brought them to the agency as part of protocol, they said. Montgomery County police and county Children's Protective Services are jointly investigating the Meitivs of Silver Spring for allowing their children to walk repeatedly around the neighborhood alone. The parents say they know where their children are but are allowing them independence. Officers picked up the children about two blocks from home, Rafi said, telling them they would drop them off at home. Instead, the two sat in a patrol car for 2½ hours then were taken about 10 miles away to Children's Protective Services offices in Rockville, Md.
Apparently you missed the absolute insane nature of child abuse/neglect cases that popped up a couple of years ago.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:25 pm to chryso
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We have that now. Do you think an insurance company would pay for this treatment?
No we don't.
Do you think an American court would prevent the parents from paying for it themselves? There are hospitals and physicians in every state that would treat him for cash/credit. And many of them could be sites for applicable experimental therapeutics that could be provided for and subsidized. That's the difference. No one here would refuse him care if payment was offered. these parents have money, but no one to treat the child.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:25 pm to TSLG
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However, their government made the best decision for all parties. It makes it easier on the parents. Here, a hospital would have bankrupted the couple before the kid died.
That's their choice to go bankrupt. I'll gladly go bankrupt to save my kid's life.
And why can't they take up a GoFundMe collection to pay the bills?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:27 pm to rocket31
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The low IQs blaming this on socialized medicine.. Lol
Low IQ here. Can you tell me what mechanism the NHS has to allow said child to be treated at a UK facility and with a private payer?
Just a quick explanation after you're done laughing at yourself, please.
ETA: The downvoters are free to provide the same explanation instead of just being bitches
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:31 pm to TbirdSpur2010
The article makes it sound like the government refused to pay to transport to the US so the parents wanted to bring the baby home. The hospital didn't raise funds for that either so the parents raised the money to bring him home.
I didn't see anywhere in the article that said the government was refusing to allow the parents to pay for transport to the US.
I didn't see anywhere in the article that said the government was refusing to allow the parents to pay for transport to the US.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:31 pm to tider04
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That's beside the point. The question at hand is really; who should have the right to make decisions about YOUR life? Or your kid's life? Or your medical treatments? If you think the government has the right to those personal decisions instead of you, then you're giving away something fundamental and essential about true human freedom. The cluster that is our VA system should make this whole debate disappea
You may be putting too much of a "big brother" spin on this. I know other healthcare people are in here. The "decision" for many is ALWAYS taken out of loved ones hands. I've been a part of many "slow codes" where we make the decision families can't make. Trauma centers and "blunt trauma arrests" where a pulse is returned in the field. Many times they are made comfortable only. Did chest compresisions once on a 22 year old guy who had long fried his brain with a heroin overdose. It was over. He had been dead for several minutes before EMS got there. The mother is holding my fricking hands on his chest crying. She would not let me stop. The doc trying to tell her it's over. She couldn't hear it. He'd long been fried had a feeding tube and was bed ridden. Mom could not let go. Me and the other poor bastard alternating compressions are sweating like hogs, and have audibly broken several ribs. I'd still be there if we hadn't slowly stopped and one sister of the guy finally heard enough ribs snap to pull away the mom.
Healthcare workers have a right to say no. I've told many colleagues in codes that I think I might have a place for me in hell for bringing back some people in codes who we denied a peaceful death. Other side of the coin is that there are people who will take money from folks like this giving false hope. There's a lot of scum out there too.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:33 pm to Scruffy
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That may sound counter to my previous statements, but as long as a person is using public funds, the individual cedes the right to the decision on how the funds should be used, imo.
Private funds are a different matter.
The difference here is they have private money to pay for the treatment and transport to the US.
And I'm not up to speed on UK Healthcare, but aren't they single-payer, government run?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:36 pm to Golfer
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The difference here is they have private money to pay for the treatment and transport to the US.
Where in the article does it say that?
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Charlie's father said in the video that they want to take their son home and give him a bath, cuddle with him on the couch and let him rest in a crib he has never slept in.
“We're now being denied that,” Gard said. The parents said hospital personnel told them they could not arrange transport for Charlie and, when the parents offered to pay for it, the parents said the hospital personnel told them that was not an option.
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