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Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:37 pm to Centinel
i work in large capex division of a plant. We could be as productive if we went a hybrid schedule of 2 days wfh, but we are not nearly as productive as a team when we go full WFH.
that was proven during covid. spending and construction was at a snails pace.
i and the people who had expierence were fine, but the younger guys and the new hires struggled big time.
granted we have a very "butts in seats" manager but that is mostly because he watched spending come to a grinding halt when we did it last time and the only ones that were spending were those that had been doing it a while.
most that work at a plant, say 60% or so, need to be butts in seat to really be as productive. Many support positions like mine though if you had expierence in the positions would be fine hybrid model.
that was proven during covid. spending and construction was at a snails pace.
i and the people who had expierence were fine, but the younger guys and the new hires struggled big time.
granted we have a very "butts in seats" manager but that is mostly because he watched spending come to a grinding halt when we did it last time and the only ones that were spending were those that had been doing it a while.
most that work at a plant, say 60% or so, need to be butts in seat to really be as productive. Many support positions like mine though if you had expierence in the positions would be fine hybrid model.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:04 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Everybody in this thread ranting about how they individually are more productive and happy outside the office are missing a big piece of the puzzle. In order to effectively maintain culture and productivity long-term, companies have to be able to train people. They can’t do that nearly as effectively when all their older workers are remote all the time.
People can’t be surprised when companies decide to risk losing talent to fix this problem. They can’t rely on workers they trained pre-COVID forever.
I couldn't disagree more, but I think a lot of people here work in manual / manufacturing type jobs vs. many that work in jobs that are suited for remote. Teams is more than suitable for training.
Our company has doubled in size since COVID, and half our staff was onboarded remotely. We continue to thrive and grow. We had calls with our largest customers this week, who were both calling in from their home offices.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:00 pm to concrete_tiger
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Our company has doubled in size since COVID, and half our staff was onboarded remotely. We continue to thrive and grow. We had calls with our largest customers this week, who were both calling in from their home offices.
Which industry specifically?
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:19 pm to theronswanson
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Hahah so delusional. WFH is here to stay for a lot of companies. You will see resignations when companies start to force in office work. Why these boomer bosses think people want to sit in traffic, breath fumes and spend time away from their families they don’t need to by commuting is beyond me.
Obviously it depends on the job. A lot of companies are just tired of losing rent and do have boomer managers.
It's pretty great as long as you can get your job done. I mean, the benefits are immeasurable. Less wasted time, more sleep, time for exercise and family, participating in kids activities instead of speeding to just drop off or pick up.
If I was in my early 20s I'm sure I would have been able to to handle it, or if I had a bunch of room mates in a small place.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:30 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
i'm a software developer. i have literally never worked in an office my entire adult life (i'm 39). it's too cost efficent to not offer WFH, you get a wider net of applicants and no one worth a damn is going to work for you when the other 10 jobs you applied for offer WFH.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:02 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Which industry specifically?
CPG
Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:14 pm to Crowknowsbest
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In order to effectively maintain culture and productivity long-term, companies have to be able to train people. They can’t do that nearly as effectively when all their older workers are remote all the time.
Fact.
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They can’t rely on workers they trained pre-COVID forever.
Something my previous employer is learning the hard way.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:21 pm to KiwiHead
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Because you don't earn what you are being paid by hanging out in your underwear and listening to the Joe Rogan podcast.
In the office you have: people walking around and stopping at each others' cubicles/offices, wasting their time, meetings face to face where people love to hear themselves babble and blather about *nothing* to no end, people hanging out at the water cooler gossiping, people playing petty and nasty office politics... I could go on and on. I've worked both, and I'm far more productive working at home.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:23 pm to theronswanson
quote:The upcoming recession is going to cut that short.
You will see resignations when companies start to force in office work.
All the anecdotal evidence from OTers that they have been more productive is a cool story bro, but the CEOs of large companies have the data on productivity vs cost savings.
I remember early in the stay-at-home phase of COVID, OTers were singing the praises of stay-at-home in helping them lose weight, meanwhile in reality: The “Quarantine 19” has become a common way to refer to weight gain during the COVID-19 pandemic
You probably shouldn't blame boomers for WFH losing its shine. The more likely culprit is: Reddit: Overemployed - Work two remote jobs. Earn extra income.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:23 pm to KiwiHead
Subtle "I have a wife" brag
Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:28 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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but the CEOs of large companies have the data
I've been in the show long enough to know not to trust CEO's and managers. More than half of what they say is BS. They sometimes call it "management speak".
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:57 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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The upcoming recession is going to cut that short.
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upcoming
Lol
Posted on 8/4/22 at 4:26 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Some complain about people not wanting to work and then get mad when someone has 7 jobs.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 4:40 pm to theronswanson
My work place just put the Kabosh on remote work starting Sept 1.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 5:13 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Middle management and bureaucrats that have suddenly been exposed as absolutely worthless and providers of nothing, now need to scramble to justify their existence.
A lot of large corporations discovered this during the covid driven WFM period, and have restructured eliminating entire layers of management.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:06 pm to KiwiHead
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Secret and above who are currently working remote, if they are local must be on site for a minimum of 2 days a week
Classified info is on a network called SIPR and cannot be accessed from home. Work at home is only for unclassified.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:42 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Middle management and bureaucrats that have suddenly been exposed as absolutely worthless and providers of nothing, now need to scramble to justify their existence.
This. This. This. So many clock-watching assholes getting paid to do nothing except micromanage. WFH shows who actually has a skill set and organization. It’s been 2.5 years now since everyone went remote, many will never return to the office waste of life of 8-5.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:43 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Fact.
How odd. We have been conducting our training remotely for almost ten years now, with zero productivity or cultural adaptation issues.
Sounds like, yet again, you have a management issue.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 12:45 pm
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