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re: End of white male doctors
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:29 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:29 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:No, they didn't. Whatever statistics class you took failed your understanding. You can't extrapolate anything from nationwide admissions rates in a vacuum without considering the admissions standards of individual schools and who applies there.
The statistics I posted did.
You may be a great physician, but you suck at stats. And that's okay. Many practicing physicians do.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 7:33 pm
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:29 pm to nvcowboyfan
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pretty common nowadays. Every year our local med school asks me to be on the interview committee and I decline because of the metric they use for getting in. Black Female > Black Male > Hispanic Female > hispanic male> asian and whites A black female with a 3.4 gets in over a white dude with
Navy tried that w tomcat pilots….. splash, crash splash
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:30 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I finished med school a few decades ago. I agree. There’s no doubt that my alma mater has been purposely increasing the number of females & minorities in the classes since then.
And board certification is not the overall defining test as to whether a doc is good at his/her/them specialty.
And the AMA is a political body which does not represent the majority of practicing physicians
And board certification is not the overall defining test as to whether a doc is good at his/her/them specialty.
And the AMA is a political body which does not represent the majority of practicing physicians
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:30 pm to Jake88
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Of course, but overcoming some monumental hardship should not qualify or disqualify a person.
Lots of this or similar nonsense on college essay questions.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:32 pm to dj30
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Its still a business and hospitals do need to make money. There are plenty of black people that prefer black doctors. Ive talked to, read countless posts and threads of black women requiring they be seen by black obgyns.
I’ve actually had more than a few black patients tell me they won’t see a black doctor because they don’t know if they were an affirmative action acceptance or not.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:34 pm to Gravitiger
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No, they didn't. Whatever statistics class you took failed your understanding. You can't extrapolate anything from nationwide admissions rates in a vacuum without considering the admissions standards of individual schools and who applies there.
Ok since the medical school data is incomplete why do black law students fail the bar at much higher rates?
I have countless more data on the failures of affirmative action if you want to explore it. Medical school isn’t unique.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:35 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I’ve actually had more than a few black patients tell me they won’t see a black doctor because they don’t know if they were an affirmative action acceptance or not.
What are we talking here? 5 in a day? Or 5 in 5 years?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:35 pm to ThatMakesSense
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What are we talking here? 5 in a day? Or 5 in 5 years?
I was responding to anecdotal evidence with my own anecdotal evidence
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:38 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Same answer. Because they systemically go to worse (i.e., more affordable and more predatory) law schools.
Ok since the medical school data is incomplete why do black law students fail the bar at much higher rates?
Again, you can't statistically take that shite out of the context in which it actually occurs.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:38 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I’ve actually had more than a few black patients tell me they won’t see a black doctor because they don’t know if they were an affirmative action acceptance or not.
Wouldnt surprise me people are able to choose who they want when it comes to their health, but those people are pretty weird in my opinion. Just a weird flow of conversation to take place in a doctors office.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:41 pm to Gravitiger
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Same answer. Because they systemically go to worse law schools.
They have studies within single schools that show the failures of affirmative action
So your argument doesn’t hold water
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:41 pm to Jake88
Again, I’m not debating with you about your stance. I’m just telling you that it is a difference-maker in the application selection process. Someone else will have to explain why.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:42 pm to dj30
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Wouldnt surprise me people are able to choose who they want when it comes to their health, but those people are pretty weird in my opinion. Just a weird flow of conversation to take place in a doctors office.
But not weird for black people to say they want to see black doctors?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:43 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Link?
They have studies within single schools that show the failures of affirmative action
So your argument doesn’t hold water
I'm not even talking about affirmative action. I'm talking about the different quality of schools that different types of people systemically apply to. It's like taking a nationwide political poll and applying it to individual district or local races.
That you can't understand this supports my point.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:44 pm to phunkatron
Maybe to an extent that's true. But given that the real bottle neck is not the number of MD graduates but the number of residency slots and also the difficulty for MDs to switch paths and specialities.
Some of this has improved with the combining od DO/MD residencies to allow graduates of either to purse each other's residency. But residency slots are funded by Medicare dollars, and there's only so much funding available, so only so many training spots available. Although there are certainly unmatched spots and also unmatched applicants...which leads to my next point...
Physicians are probably their own worst enemy. Other issues include discouragement of students to apply to multiple specialities or back up specialties, knowing full well that 2nd and 3rd time applicants have a very difficult time matching.
Lack of clinical opportunities available to MDs who didn't match/complete a residency. Basically you can't practice medicine or even be an assistant in many cases(although this changing in some states, who are now allowing MDs to function like a physician assistant/PA).
NPs and PAs can easily switch specialties, flow where the money is and their speciality training is mostly done by MDs/DOs, in many cases they are training their competition. For MD to switch specialties, they have to complete a entirely new residency which is unlikely to happen because of limited funding.
Physicians should have been proactive in thus regard hut instead are now being reactive
Some of this has improved with the combining od DO/MD residencies to allow graduates of either to purse each other's residency. But residency slots are funded by Medicare dollars, and there's only so much funding available, so only so many training spots available. Although there are certainly unmatched spots and also unmatched applicants...which leads to my next point...
Physicians are probably their own worst enemy. Other issues include discouragement of students to apply to multiple specialities or back up specialties, knowing full well that 2nd and 3rd time applicants have a very difficult time matching.
Lack of clinical opportunities available to MDs who didn't match/complete a residency. Basically you can't practice medicine or even be an assistant in many cases(although this changing in some states, who are now allowing MDs to function like a physician assistant/PA).
NPs and PAs can easily switch specialties, flow where the money is and their speciality training is mostly done by MDs/DOs, in many cases they are training their competition. For MD to switch specialties, they have to complete a entirely new residency which is unlikely to happen because of limited funding.
Physicians should have been proactive in thus regard hut instead are now being reactive
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:47 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Blacks are extremely skeptical when it comes to making health care decisions.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:48 pm to TutHillTiger
She ain’t special. Medschool kids all have same gpa and high mcat
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:49 pm to Gravitiger
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I'm not even talking about affirmative action. I'm talking about the different quality of schools that different types of people systemically apply to.
This entire thread is about affirmative action wether you want it to be or not.
And your specific argument was addressed with the following statistical analysis…
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After their first year 51% of black students were in the bottom 10% of their class, compared to 5% of white students.
OF THEIR CLASS. It didn’t matter what school they were at. They perform worse because they weren’t as qualified of an applicant coming in.
It’s been proven over and over again.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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But not weird for black people to say they want to see black doctors?
Weird all together to bring that up when 1st meeting a doctor.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 7:51 pm to TutHillTiger
Women are also clogging up med schools and retiring early or cutting back early.
Doctors want to only work 3-4 days a week now and don’t want anyone to know when they come in or leave. They call you under unknown numbers. The practice of medicine has fallen dramatically
Doctors want to only work 3-4 days a week now and don’t want anyone to know when they come in or leave. They call you under unknown numbers. The practice of medicine has fallen dramatically
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