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re: End of white male doctors

Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:31 pm to
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:31 pm to
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You think a highly qualified black doctor wants to move back to the ghetto?


Why would they need to move back to the ghetto?
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
5119 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:34 pm to
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So it sounds like you are admitting that schools are picking less qualified applicants because of their skin color.

Since you are just bypassing that debate and arguing why selecting people based on race is a good thing.

Is that right?


Sounds like you are overestimating the importance of an MCAT score beyond a certain threshold.

If a person is admitted to medical school, passes all their exams, completes residency and then passes their boards then they are qualified. End of story.

Have you heard of the concept of the law of diminishing returns? The problem with smooth brained individuals such as yourself is that you see a few numbers in a chart and think you know what you are talking about.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:36 pm to
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I just linked you an article with 100,000 patients surveyed.


The survey doesn’t say anything about qualifications
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20186 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:36 pm to
You completely stray off course…..who is debating if Medical Schools should or shouldn’t favor citizens of their states. I sure am not and almost all publicly funded Medical Schools have it in their charters to educate medical professionals for their states!

Stay on topic snowflake. This is about meritocracy vs racism!
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:37 pm to
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What is the qualitative difference?


The study just observes the fact that people give higher survey ratings to doctors who look like them
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:38 pm to
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Sounds like you are overestimating the importance of an MCAT score beyond a certain threshold. If a person is admitted to medical school, passes all their exams, completes residency and then passes their boards then they are qualified. End of story.


Oh ok now the tests just aren’t important

You are pathetic

So tell me what you say to the Asian students who busted their asses to get those scores?
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
5119 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:39 pm to
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The survey doesn’t say anything about qualifications


If a person is a board-certified physician then people much smarter that you have deemed that person qualified.

It's comical that people keep pointing to two metrics as to someones medical competence and keep disregarding the 75 steps in between.

Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:40 pm to
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If a person is a board-certified physician then people much smarter that you have deemed that person qualified.


I am a board certified physician you fricking tool bag

Keep dodging questions though
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:42 pm to
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The study just observes the fact that people give higher survey ratings to doctors who look like them


Again, I'm asking you what you are defining as the difference in quality?

Also, going back the past five years, the acceptance rate of white students has hovered around 40 percent, finally falling below that number in 2021-22, which was a weird year in terms of application numbers, as there was a 10,000 applicant increase from the previous year. The acceptance rate for black students has hovered around 35% in the same time period. What accounts for the seemingly steady rate of acceptances for each group, despite the AEI data, which somewhat misrepresents the 2013-14 demographic data for reasons I already alluded to?
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
5119 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:43 pm to
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You completely stray off course…..who is debating if Medical Schools should or shouldn’t favor citizens of their states. I sure am not and almost all publicly funded Medical Schools have it in their charters to educate medical professionals for their states!

Stay on topic snowflake. This is about meritocracy vs racism!


I thought you wanted the best doctors though?
Posted by phunkatron
Member since Jun 2019
1444 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:43 pm to
If anything, you should redirect that indignation at the AMA for having a surplus of qualified applicants in the midst of constant doctor shortages around the country, and doing nothing to address... ever.

Hence the exponential growth of DOs, PAs, and NPs in the past few decades.
Posted by Dave_O
Member since Apr 2018
1209 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:45 pm to
I’m a medical professional, but not a doctor. Our class started with 50 people, give or take 2-3. We had 2 people from the class above us that had to repeat the first year after they had a sub 3.0 GPA the first year (a requirement of the program). We had two people in our class that had to repeat their first year with the class that was behind us. All were minorities. I offer no opinion on the subject, just an objective statement.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 6:51 pm
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12090 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:46 pm to
I can remember someone posted an article on here from the medical community that said if medical school was strictly based on merit it would only be 98% whites and Asians with like 1% Latino and 1% black
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
5119 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:47 pm to
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I can remember someone posted an article on here from the medical community that said if medical school was strictly based on merit it would only be 98% whites and Asians with like 1% Latino and 1% black


More like 95% Asian.
Posted by whiskey over ice
Member since Sep 2020
3758 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:48 pm to
At this point just lie and say you identify as black. How are they going to prove that you don’t feel like you’re literally a black person?
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
5119 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:48 pm to
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Oh ok now the tests just aren’t important


The most important test is board certification. But I guess you think black folks who are board certified aren't really doctors then huh?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:50 pm to
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Again, I'm asking you what you are defining as the difference in quality?


Ok let me be clear as possible

Black applicants with lower scores are being accepted because they are black

I’ve personally sat in residency admission meeting where this very fact was stated.

So Mr Spock’s justification for this racism is that black people rate black doctors higher than white doctors on surveys (ironically this is also racist).

HOWEVER, this doesn’t mean black people agree that medical schools should have a policy of accepting black applicants with lower scores.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12090 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:51 pm to
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More like 95% Asian.


Seem to remember the breakdown was something like 50% white, 48% Asian, 1% Latino, and 1% black. But, we can’t have that because it is ‘unfair’ so we have to do it a different way.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:51 pm to
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The most important test is board certification


That’s your opinion and a lot of people would disagree
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62956 posts
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:56 pm to
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Why? Serious question. Why is anyone for diversity?


Seriously?

Diversity is code word for favoritism being offered to non Asian minorities.
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