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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:06 am to GoldenGuy
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If we switch to nuclear, it’s muchquote:viable.
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No way in hell will libs accept that.
Although the leader of Greenpeace seems to like the idea.
People tend to think of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island when they think of nuke power.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:11 am to Tempratt
If everyone gets an electric vehicle out electrical infrastructure is currently not up to the task.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:12 am to Tempratt
EV will be majority of the cars on the road once solid state battery tech is perfected.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:12 am to Bayou
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The point is it still takes a toll on the environment
Yep. Nothing is free including energy conversion.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:14 am to Strannix
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This laughably stupid if you take into account the energy used to produce transfer and store the energy for something as small as a car.
As opposed to petroleum exploration, production, refinement, and distribution???
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:15 am to Strannix
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This laughably stupid if you take into account the energy used to produce transfer and store the energy for something as small as a car.
For one car, sure.
It looks a lot better for thousands of cars or more.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:21 am to Tempratt
Let the free market decide and whatever is better shall win out.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:21 am to beerJeep
Ain't it funny how the side effects of all this "green" tech is stuff that can harm the environment even WORSE ? CLOWN WORLD.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 10:22 am
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:22 am to Tempratt
Leaving aside logistical and environmental considerations, from a purely performance/driving perspective they are superior to IC vehicles, period.
Logistically, the charging stations are at a point now that I could drive anywhere from Galveston to Miami and not worry. Super chargers make the stop about as long as a typical road trip gas stop, so it’s a wash. Expect that to just keep improving.
Environmentally, modern ice engines are pretty good, so I’d need to see an in depth study to determine which is overall cleaner, when considering the mining required to get the battery materials.
Logistically, the charging stations are at a point now that I could drive anywhere from Galveston to Miami and not worry. Super chargers make the stop about as long as a typical road trip gas stop, so it’s a wash. Expect that to just keep improving.
Environmentally, modern ice engines are pretty good, so I’d need to see an in depth study to determine which is overall cleaner, when considering the mining required to get the battery materials.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:25 am to Tempratt
I have had a Volt for 5 years. The drivetrain is amazing and GM completely fricked up by not putting the Volt drivetrain into more mainstream vehicles since they introduced it 10 years ago.
With the Volt, I get about 50 miles one the battery, then the generator kicks in and I get about 40mpg. The generator doesn’t charge the battery, it just powers the electric drivetrain.
An Equinox or Traverse with that drivetrain would have been the Bee’s Knee’s for me. With a few mods, the architecture in a 1/2 ton pickup or Colorado would have been killer for the contractor crowd.
GM had the technology to take the lead, but they crapped the bed.
With the Volt, I get about 50 miles one the battery, then the generator kicks in and I get about 40mpg. The generator doesn’t charge the battery, it just powers the electric drivetrain.
An Equinox or Traverse with that drivetrain would have been the Bee’s Knee’s for me. With a few mods, the architecture in a 1/2 ton pickup or Colorado would have been killer for the contractor crowd.
GM had the technology to take the lead, but they crapped the bed.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:26 am to Darth_Vader
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..... if you want one because you think it’s somehow better for the environment, you’re an idiot.
No one thinks that it's better for the environment. They just do it to appear "enlightened."
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:30 am to Tempratt
Here’s something i haven’t heard discussed, what do you think is going to happen to electricity costs as more and more EVs drive up demand?
They won’t need a carbon tax, power is going to become prohibitively expensive for a lot of (poor) people.
They won’t need a carbon tax, power is going to become prohibitively expensive for a lot of (poor) people.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:33 am to CptRusty
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Here’s something i haven’t heard discussed, what do you think is going to happen to electricity costs as more and more EVs drive up demand?
Our grid isn't up to the task. Then when you look at "infrastructure bills" that allocate only 5% to actual infrastructure you realize the government isn't interested in solving problems just getting new voters.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:40 am to Tempratt
I drove a real and it was legit. Faster than anything I ever drove and smooth and quiet
I think they’re here to stay
I think they’re here to stay
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:44 am to beerJeep
Not quite the range/cost I need for me to get one and I don’t want a truck that looks like the cyber truck. The Rivians are real interesting though with their tow charge feature. Needs some more growth, but the tech is looking very promising. It’s a noble goal to try and reduce pollution, but it shouldn’t be rushed and cause pain to our way of life.
Tesla is actually working on that problem and investing a ton in it. Besides slowing down mining with recycling, they are also finding new ways to create the batteries so mining isn’t as necessary and how they make the batteries so they produce less harmful waste. The battery day presentation had some good info in it and why I will keep investing in them.
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If only we can improve those horrible and very very polluting ways that the lithium, a rare earth metal, is extracted from our beautiful and marvelous earth.
Woe is the pit mine. Woe is extracting a rare metal that is nonrenewable from the earth.
Tesla is actually working on that problem and investing a ton in it. Besides slowing down mining with recycling, they are also finding new ways to create the batteries so mining isn’t as necessary and how they make the batteries so they produce less harmful waste. The battery day presentation had some good info in it and why I will keep investing in them.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:47 am to Strannix
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This laughably stupid if you take into account the energy used to produce transfer and store the energy for something as small as a car.
What is laughably stupid is people that don't take efficiency into account. ICE engines are remarkably inefficient compared to electric motors even when they are ultimately powered by fossil fuels.
People also drone on about the environmental impact of the metals used in the batteries. They conveniently avoid how much that impact has been reduced in a few short years primarily by small companies working in a niche market. The internal combustion engine rides on a wave of increasing efficiency that has been building for over 100 years with an ever reducing impact on the environment, EVs are just at the beginning of that cycle.
The only real drawback for EVs in the grand scheme now as a vehicle is range and speed of recharging something that have both been getting better year after year.
As far as performance the EVs are approaching and surpassing the best ICE performance cars cracking metric after metric. Full torque from 0 RPM, infinite torque vectoring and the ability to place weight in the right places has advantages.
For the "car people" EVs still lack "soul". It reminds me of the argument between the Acura NSX and Ferrari 348 back in 1990. The main (only) argument against the NSX was the lack of soul. Fast forward 30 years and the Ferrari F8 (as well as most high performance cars) has more in common with the NSX than the 348 and those of us that are car people are better for it.
The majority of people's opinions of EVs can be traced to their political preferences which means that even if they are right they are likely right for the wrong reasons.
If you haven't been impressed by an EV yet go drive a Taycan.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:53 am to Tempratt
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Electric Automobiles - What's your take?
Not interested in them at all. No range, long charge time, expensive purchase price, unreliable, high maintenance costs, etc., etc. Plus the fact that the PTB are pushing them heavily makes me wary. We achieve energy independence, for the first time, under the previous administration so now the oil and gas industry comes under fire? I'm not buying altruistic reasons for pushing EVs. There's always another agenda.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:55 am to The Goon
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My only issue is what happens when the electricity grid fails and we all have electric cars? What would happen if the federal government shuts down the grid to a large segment of “dangerous” people? Who owns the electricity grid and can control access?
Would that same electrical grid be powering gas pumps and refineries?
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:56 am to The Goon
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federal government
Local politicians, like the ones in L.A., believe they have the power to do this as well.
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