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Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by Kcrad
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:13 pm to
Dr. Mary's Monkey: How the Unsolved Murder of a Doctor, a Secret Laboratory in New Orleans and Cancer-Causing Monkey Viruses Are Linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK Assassination and Emerging Global Epidemics

I'm more into the whole brevity thing.

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Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:29 pm to
1) The author, Judith Vary Baker, is mentally ill.
2) If you take a shot every time she uses the phrase "cancer causing monkey virus in the book, you'll need to go to rehab by the time you finish reading this piece of fiction.

I could go on, but you probably get the point. It's an interesting tale, especially if you're from New Orleans, but very hard to accept as fact.
Posted by Dissident Aggressor
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:32 pm to
dr mary sherman was hot…
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:35 pm to
This reminds me of a girl I knew in HS. Her mom worked for a doctors office and I remember she telling me that her mom told her that on several occasions a black lady would call in and the reason they needed to see the doctor was "Something wrong with my monkey".. For the slow ones monkey refers to vagina.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:43 pm to
I just finished it.

There are some interesting aspects to it but it wasn't well written.
Posted by HooDooWitch
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:51 pm to
Also shows you how much our government has experimented with vaccines, and people still don't thing our gov was behind the Cov19.
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:52 pm to
Family members who ran in circles with people mentioned in the book confirmed how weird some were and that it was an accurate representation of them.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:21 pm to
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1) The author, Judith Vary Baker, is mentally ill.
2) If you take a shot every time she uses the phrase "cancer causing monkey virus in the book, you'll need to go to rehab by the time you finish reading this piece of fiction.

I could go on, but you probably get the point. It's an interesting tale, especially if you're from New Orleans, but very hard to accept as fact.


She's actually an alleged conspirator. Edward Haslam wrote the book but to your point, the author uses these phrases alot.. "What if", "Could it have been" and "I think", among others.

I do believe she was involved in some secret projects for sure. There's nothing Earth shattering or ground breaking about that but the means of her death is likely not what's asserted in the book.

The author asserts she was first accidentally or deliberately, severely injured by some sort of "particle beam" accelerator and that this is what caused her severe burns. He believes this happened in a secret lab.

Haslem goes on to assert a mattress fire could not have caused the severity of her burns (her remains were found on a burned mattress). Additionally, Haslem asserts that after she was burned (not yet killed) by the particle beam, her colleagues on the secret project went ahead and finished her off in the lab, and then took her body back to her apartment. While there, they engaged in some half assed attempt at making it look like it was some sort of rape or passion killing. They stabbed her dead body a few more times and then set her on fire. Haslam alleges her colleagues set her body on fire to cover up the particle beam mishap.

Well numerous forensic pathologists have countered this assertion and have stated a mattress fire could have absolutely caused her burns. Additionally, a pathologist who examined her states she was dead before she was burned and he states this because there was no soot in her lungs. Had she been alive after she was burned, as Haslam asserts, she would have breathed in soot. Which means she was killed and then set on fire. Again, Haslam asserts the opposite. He says she was burned (in the secret lab) and then killed with a knife, while still in the lab. Her being burned prior to her stabbing however has been disproven.

Like I said, the book is interesting and she was indeed murdered. Why she was murdered? I don’t know but she was likely into some heavy, covert shite, which really isn't that big of a deal. Alot of scientists were.

But it's interesting though how Haslam just completely glosses over the police theory that she was murdered in a crime of passion. After all, her genitals were cut with a knife. To hear Haslam tell it however, this was largely incidental. You could tell he really didn't want to talk about that part of it.

Haslam himself (in a reluctant, obligatory way) briefly eludes to how she was heavy into the New Orleans counter culture and ran with some weirdos. It's probably more likely she was killed by another lesbian or some whackadoodle she knew. There's also a very reasonable theory (which Haslam ignores) that she was killed by a known, nut fellow Doctor at the Ochsner clinic. But none of this fits the narrative Haslam wants to create.

After reading the book, you just sorta get the feeling that it's some reachy attempt, in a long line of attempts to cash in on the Kennedy assassination.

And one final thing. Haslam would have us believe that Dr. Mary was working on a secret project to cure the inevitable cancers that were to come from the polio vaccine and that this secret project was started by the US Government. He asserts that the Government wanted to protect us all. Well when has the Government ever shown that level autruism toward its own people?

And if you don't buy that one, he gives you another. He proffers that the project was a secret plan to give Castro some sort of monkey cancer.

It's a fanciful book that would've been more interesting had a better author handled the subject matter.
This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 12:07 am
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:38 pm to
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Dr. Mary’s Monkey


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It
Posted by JodyPlauche
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 4:19 am to
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The author, Judith Vary Baker, is mentally ill.


She wrote "Me and Lee" not Dr. Mary's Monkey
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 6:27 am to
It builds upon a lot of jumps and what ifs but taken as a fun historical with a lot of history in it but bc also some fiction- it’s a cool read for a local
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 6:31 am to
Don't monkey with another monkey's monkey.
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 7:22 am to
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Well I was going to post about getting into this book but accidentally hit submit before I could post anything


Ever noticed the Edit button on your posts. This is easily fixed.
Posted by MBclass83
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 7:30 am to
I read it years ago. I was working for Ochsner at the time so I found it interesting.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
14236 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 8:48 am to
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It builds upon a lot of jumps and what ifs but taken as a fun historical with a lot of history in it but bc also some fiction- it’s a cool read for a local


And that's pretty much all it amounts to.
Posted by mikelbr
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 8:59 am to
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And that's pretty much all it amounts to.


Yep. His version of the Rault Center Fire sounds like it's based on factual evidence from the tragedy. But it's 100% made up in his head. You can barely find anyone who really believes it was arson much less has any real evidence it was arson.
He does that throughout the book. Just making shite up to make 'connections'.

This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 9:00 am
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
14236 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 9:14 am to
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Yep. His version of the Rault Center Fire sounds like it's based on factual evidence from the tragedy. But it's 100% made up in his head. You can barely find anyone who really believes it was arson much less has any real evidence it was arson.
He does that throughout the book. Just making shite up to make 'connections'.



Take out all the things in that book that are bullshite or likely to be and you've got nothing more than a two part article in Playboy Magazine.
Posted by Boudreaux35
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 9:33 am to
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1) The author, Judith Vary Baker, is mentally ill.


That weird. Did she also go by the name of Edward T. Haslam?
Posted by MzJimLahey
Deep South
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 10:11 am to
This book was required reading in a forensic anthropology class I took in college. The details concerning Dr. Mary Sherman's death are forensically impossible.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
14236 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 11:11 am to
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This book was required reading in a forensic anthropology class I took in college. The details concerning Dr. Mary Sherman's death are forensically impossible.


If by that you mean a mattress and clothing fire couldn't have caused such severe burns, well I don't know. But what I do know is several forensic pathologists have said otherwise.

And fundamentally, the problem I have with Haslam's assertion that there's no way a mattress fire could have caused her burn injuries is this...

If I recall correctly, Haslam consulted just one so called "expert" on extreme heat and human tissue, a mortician. Well a mortician is no more an expert on fire and the human body than he is on human anatomy and physiology. A mortician might can locate a spleen for instance but can he tell you what it does?

A mortician is an expert on what an oven, at extreme temperatures does to a human body but is he an expert on accelerants, or chemical fires, or fires from synthetic materials and what all that does to a human body? Well no, why would he be? He operates an oven.

If I recall correctly, Haslam didn't talk to an expert on any of those things, not even a fire scene investigator. He pretty much stopped at a mortician. It's almost as if Haslam already knew there were fragments left behind after a cremation (which is something we all know) and simply wanted nothing more than to confirm his own bias.

With regard to her injuries and their cause, he did some pretty shitty research.

This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 11:14 am
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