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re: Downtown Library contractor wants more money - I knew it
Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:32 pm to bigrob385series
Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:32 pm to bigrob385series
They did the right thing by putting the city on notice and possibly bemobililizing until the problem is solved, that is what you have to do in this case. The contractor will be on the hook for cost on the job for now even though he is not working . That is part of being the general contractor who holds the contract with the owner. Agree cgrand?
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:41 pm to bayou choupique
if this was a private job the GC would be working with the designer to discover a solution that least inconveniences the owner. But this is public work and there are no loyalties nor advantages to be gained by doing that
on a public job you make no offers, you stay in your lane, and you document everything. It’s basically work under duress. there are real losses incurred by a delay in the work and the GC is correct in pointing that out. this is why I don’t pursue public work
life’s too short to litigate your way to a good living
on a public job you make no offers, you stay in your lane, and you document everything. It’s basically work under duress. there are real losses incurred by a delay in the work and the GC is correct in pointing that out. this is why I don’t pursue public work
life’s too short to litigate your way to a good living
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:10 pm to jbgleason
If it is a structural design flaw. The contractor will win. Likely the engineer has a $1m insurance and the architect who hired the engineer carries another $1m. But after that the owner(city will be liable)
I know the designers in Baton Rouge high we sued by MAPP and won. Got money for designers and school board.
I know the designers in Baton Rouge high we sued by MAPP and won. Got money for designers and school board.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:13 pm to BigPerm30
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Why are we still wasting money on libraries. That’s the real question
Because rigged elections. We allow these sneaky extra elections for "little" tax renewals. It gets a less than 5pct turnout, most of whom are library employees or the many folks with a financial interest and their employees. Ergo, they have more money than they know what to do with. BREC too.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:14 pm to cgrand
The GC probably has a time in his contract with the owner to report a claim.
If the GC feels the problem is in the design, then legally he has to notify the owner or he could lose his chance to recover his expenses.
I'm sure all parties have their people studying the problem, and if the architect or his consultant screwed up then their insurance company will eventually pay. This won't happen overnite, however.
If the GC feels the problem is in the design, then legally he has to notify the owner or he could lose his chance to recover his expenses.
I'm sure all parties have their people studying the problem, and if the architect or his consultant screwed up then their insurance company will eventually pay. This won't happen overnite, however.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:21 pm to jbgleason
Well then they should go after the structural engineer and/or the engineers e/o policy. Not the taxpayers.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:30 pm to TigerDeBaiter
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Well then they should go after the structural engineer and/or the engineers e/o policy. Not the taxpa
That’s not the way their contract is setup
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:33 pm to TigerDeBaiter
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Well then they should go after the structural engineer and/or the engineers e/o policy. Not the taxpayers.
The GC does not have a contractural obligation to the designer(s)’ errors and omissions insurance policy. There are multiple layers of insulation here and subrogation will be used in due time.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:45 pm to 4LSU2
I’d be interested to know if the engineers inspected those trusses either on the ground or after erection
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:58 pm to cgrand
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I’d be interested to know if the engineers inspected those trusses either on the ground or after erection
The CTL absolutely had to have inspected the welds prior to the walls being closed up.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:04 pm to jbgleason
The only thing I have to say about all of this is "St George." I don't know if that's helpful but I'm sure if St George was around, everything would be better about this.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:07 pm to 4LSU2
depends on who the testing lab is working for...
if working for the city or the engineer a drive by inspection wouldn’t surprise me at all
if working for the city or the engineer a drive by inspection wouldn’t surprise me at all
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:08 pm to jbgleason
Clearly this is an issue with the structural steel design from the structural engineer. Their design clearly pushed the steel past it's limitations and it has started to fail. However this structural design was done to achieve what the architect designed, so to me this falls on the architect and the engineer. It will be interesting to see during litigation if this is the first structural engineer the architect approached about this design or if they had to talk to a few before finding someone that would design/stamp this cantilever and if the structural engineer of record expressed any concerns, all will come out during discovery. The steel fabricator/ erector supplied shop drawings that were approved by the structural engineer. The steel used is sized and the grade speced by the structural engineer as well as the steel is stamped by the manufacturer. I would bet that at the time the steel was being erected including welded and bolted connections there was a special inspector there inspecting the welds. If all of these things were done to the design and specs from the structural engineer I don't see the GC being at fault here. To any that think corners were or could be cut you are obviously unfamiliar with construction like this. There are multiple sets of eyes ( qualified, 3rd party eyes) looking at things long before a wall is closed up and it is extremely rare a cut corner gets hidden. The GC selected for this job has a good reputation in town and has been around for a very long time, this design was a little out of their normal type work in my opinion, but nothing they can't handle. There will be litigation over this for the city to get reimbursed for their extra expense, all parties from architects, engineers, fabricator, GC etc are well insured. Additionally there are performance bonds on the job, that although I don't think this is a issue the bonding co gets into, it's another avenue to cover the expenses. As for the GC wanting more money of course, it extends out their overhead/ general conditions on the job, plus any additional direct or indirect expenses they may have especially if it's found to be nonfault if theirs. This type of thing is not uncommon it just happens to be in our one horse town BR and a lot of people didn't want this library built to begin with so they are fast to pile on and point their finger to say I told you. Yes that was long get over it
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:14 pm to Triggerr
I wonder how long this will delay completion of the project
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:27 pm to 4LSU2
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The GC does not have a contractural obligation to the designer(s)’ errors and omissions insurance policy. There are multiple layers of insulation here and subrogation will be used in due time.
I meant the city.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:28 pm to jbgleason
Nothing wrong with seeking compensation for things out of their control. If it is the design and not construction they are right to ask for compensation for any additional incurred costs due to the fault of others. However if it is their fault they will end up eating that cost. There is a third option where percentage of fault is designated and each company will pay a share. That’s what bonds and insurance is for. Not like either will eat all costs.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:32 pm to wickowick
That's a good question.
I doubt the design team is going to rush to admit an error, or to design a fix that obviously implicates them for screwing up to begin with.
This job could be shut down for awhile.
I doubt the design team is going to rush to admit an error, or to design a fix that obviously implicates them for screwing up to begin with.
This job could be shut down for awhile.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:37 pm to jbgleason
Hasn’t the advent of e-books made books and therefore libraries obsolete?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:57 pm to cgrand
Are there any decent pictures out there of where the truss failed?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:02 pm to MadDoggyStyle
All involved have called their respective insurance and bond carriers to put them on notice. Meetings with their attorneys are scheduled.
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