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re: Does the city of New Orleans even try to clean up its widespread homeless problem?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:39 am to TexasTiger08
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:39 am to TexasTiger08
Are there many large cities that you wouldn't consider liberal?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:41 am to StringedInstruments
At least it's not seattle. The ones there have no shame in begging..
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:56 am to fightin tigers
I don’t consider Phoenix, San Antonio, OKC, Ft Worth to be liberal. And the homeless on those places isn’t as bad as in the other places that have been mentioned.
The absolute worst I have seen is Vancouver, BC around Hastings Street.
The absolute worst I have seen is Vancouver, BC around Hastings Street.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:59 am to OweO
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At least it's not seattle. The ones there have no shame in begging..
I was there last summer. Me and the SO walked out of a restaurant in Chinatown with leftovers. Two homeless guys immediately asked us for it. Zero shame...
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:01 am to StringedInstruments
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Does the city of New Orleans even try to clean up its widespread homeless problem?
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StringedInstruments
Dude. Have you ever been to literally ANY other big city? This is an America problem - not a NOLA problem.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:02 am to TexasTiger08
What are the raggedy unkempt white people who have dogs with them called. Are they homeless or hobos
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:03 am to OceanMan
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Give them jazz land?

Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:07 am to TexasTiger08
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I don’t consider Phoenix, San Antonio, OKC, Ft Worth to be liberal
Maybe so, weather in those cities might also have a bearing. OKC being an outlier.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:08 am to NOLAManBlog
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What are the raggedy unkempt white people who have dogs with them called. Are they homeless or hobos
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:09 am to TexasTiger08
Most of them prefer to live that way. Rebeling against their parents or some shite.
Sepia people.
Sepia people.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:29 am to StringedInstruments
if you think nola is bad you really should see houston
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:36 am to StringedInstruments
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Sure. Pretty much...except New Orleans isn’t limited to some.
You must not travel much. Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, LA, Austin, DC, NYC, etc etc all have big homeless populations all over their cities
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:38 am to StringedInstruments
Historically, our homeless population grows in the wintertime and shrinks, somewhat, in the summer, as the homeless move around.
All major cities have this. My uncle is in town this week from Portland, and he said it's 25x worse up there. He a mental health professional and he believes the more a city does to try to help the homeless, the worse the problem gets. A liberal enclave like Portland does a lot to help the homeless, and all it's done is just dramatically increase their numbers.
NOLA has a number of non-profits with homeless shelters, but those shelters have rules. Many of the homeless that are on the street are unable or unwilling to honor those rules.
Our homeless is basically the following:
1) The "gutter punks" who actually want to live on the streets and be urban campers, with their dogs and nose rings.
2) The mentally ill, who want to be outside 24/7 and actually freak out when they are in a room / on a bed.
3) The drug users who haven't or don't want to clean up their habit.
You see very, very, very few "down and out" homeless in NOLA these days. We have a pretty good economy and we have pretty good resources for those who need help and want to accept it.
I think the only way to ever "clean up" the problem, is to spend money on mental help and drug detox programs, and well, that sounds like tax money and gosh knows we Louisiana's aren't going to actually pay for that.
All major cities have this. My uncle is in town this week from Portland, and he said it's 25x worse up there. He a mental health professional and he believes the more a city does to try to help the homeless, the worse the problem gets. A liberal enclave like Portland does a lot to help the homeless, and all it's done is just dramatically increase their numbers.
NOLA has a number of non-profits with homeless shelters, but those shelters have rules. Many of the homeless that are on the street are unable or unwilling to honor those rules.
Our homeless is basically the following:
1) The "gutter punks" who actually want to live on the streets and be urban campers, with their dogs and nose rings.
2) The mentally ill, who want to be outside 24/7 and actually freak out when they are in a room / on a bed.
3) The drug users who haven't or don't want to clean up their habit.
You see very, very, very few "down and out" homeless in NOLA these days. We have a pretty good economy and we have pretty good resources for those who need help and want to accept it.
I think the only way to ever "clean up" the problem, is to spend money on mental help and drug detox programs, and well, that sounds like tax money and gosh knows we Louisiana's aren't going to actually pay for that.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:41 am to Hammertime
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I had a buddy down here from Boston, and he was taken back by the amount of people laying around the sidewalk/street. Along with the food, the booze, the quarter, the river, and the scenery, one of the first things he tells people about is how dirty and how many homeless people are in the city. After visiting any city for the first time, there are certain things that you remember. Homeless people is his memory for New Orleans
With all due respect, your friend is full of shite. I've been to Boston and there are plenty of homeless people crawling all over the city, especially in the summer.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:45 am to StringedInstruments
New Cmte setup to address this. They met for the first time this morning
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Quality of life in New Orleans, everything from potholes to blighted property, are now being tackled by a new city council committee, which holds its first meeting today.
Councilman Joe Giarrusso says from illegal dumping, to trash and even uncut grass will be things the committee will handle. They will also examine the city's issues with encampments of homeless people.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:46 am to StringedInstruments
New Orleans follows and tries to implement most policies found in larger cities (at least the ones with the same politics) and that includes how they handle the homeless. The encampments on Claiborne around Tulane and Canal are as bad as they have ever been and under the Crescent Connection will continue to grow the warmer it gets.
I agree that mental health issues tend to drive up the numbers, but there has to be an effort to get these people off the streets and from under the overpasses. Thank god we don't have the population size of Seattle or SF. And to echo what someone else posted, we don't have the police force to continually implement a removal policy (again, thanks to the local politics).
That being said, you hardly ever see vagrants begging in Jefferson Parish. Just drive west on Veterans from Westend at Veterans across the Parish line to confirm that point.
I agree that mental health issues tend to drive up the numbers, but there has to be an effort to get these people off the streets and from under the overpasses. Thank god we don't have the population size of Seattle or SF. And to echo what someone else posted, we don't have the police force to continually implement a removal policy (again, thanks to the local politics).
That being said, you hardly ever see vagrants begging in Jefferson Parish. Just drive west on Veterans from Westend at Veterans across the Parish line to confirm that point.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:49 am to PortHudsonPlaya
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Throwing them all in jail isn’t the answer. I honestly have thought about this many times and have never been able to come up with anything close to a solution outside of quit giving them food or money. All that does is enable them to never change. Some have mental issues and no support structure, yes...but the majority are just lazy assholes, drug addicts, and scam artists that will never change.
I used to do some stuff with the Jimmie Hale Mission here in Birmingham. They would take in anyone who was willing to get clean, get an education, get job training, and get spiritual help. They do outstanding working helping those who want to be helped. The director told me many times to not feed or otherwise empower the homeless.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 11:52 am to LSUFanHouston
When I referenced Vancouver, I can say with confidence that much of it was drug use. They tried to clean it up during the 2010 Olympics, but it’s back strong.
We visited a downtown park (not Stanley) as soon as we rolled into town, and the first thing I saw was a syringe on the ground. I joked that it must be a sign. Little did I know that by Hastings, I would see multiple camps, encounter beggars like never before, and actually see someone squatting and shooting up.
I think that has played into mental health issues. Do I think these people wanted to be rehabilitated? I can’t say for sure. But until they detox and are actually helped, nothing will change.
We visited a downtown park (not Stanley) as soon as we rolled into town, and the first thing I saw was a syringe on the ground. I joked that it must be a sign. Little did I know that by Hastings, I would see multiple camps, encounter beggars like never before, and actually see someone squatting and shooting up.
I think that has played into mental health issues. Do I think these people wanted to be rehabilitated? I can’t say for sure. But until they detox and are actually helped, nothing will change.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I think the only way to ever "clean up" the problem, is to spend money on mental help and drug detox programs, and well, that sounds like tax money and gosh knows we Louisiana's aren't going to actually pay for that.
We already spend tax money, taken from working citizens, to try and "fix" the homeless problem and to provide both drug detox and mental help resources. It's disingenuous for you to imply otherwise. At some point we should agree that enough tax money is being spent on this in light of the refusal of the vast majority of the homeless to utilize it.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:27 pm to TheCurmudgeon
Hmm. We rank 43rd of all states in per-capita spending on mental health.
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We rank 45th of all states in percentage of state budget allocated to mental health
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We spend less than half of the national average per capita, and just more than of the national median per capita
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So no, the amount of money being spent is not acceptable or useful.
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We rank 45th of all states in percentage of state budget allocated to mental health
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We spend less than half of the national average per capita, and just more than of the national median per capita
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So no, the amount of money being spent is not acceptable or useful.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 12:28 pm
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