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re: Does man go to hell in cases of abortion?

Posted on 11/26/19 at 8:41 pm to
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83177 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 8:41 pm to
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You can’t prove something doesn’t exist.


Is this really as true as people say? Aren’t there some scientific certainties out there which eliminate the existence of some things?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35857 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 8:49 pm to
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quote:
Hell doesn’t exist, so no.


someone has obviously never been to Gainesville.


Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35857 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 8:54 pm to
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Do you have proof that they aren’t real?


If you're the one claiming the existence of something, any burden of proof is on you.

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Although it may be possible to prove non-existence in special situations, such as showing that a container does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence. The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.


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Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30035 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:09 pm to
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Only the fetus goes to hell bc it wasn’t baptized. The parents go to reconciliation and then heaven.


That assumes God is bound by the sacraments. This is patently absurd to begin with.

If an omniscient and omnipowerful god set up a system whereby aborted, stillborn and miscarried children are cast to a real hell this is just the kind of POS (were they mortal) that tOT would rightfully wish the worst possible punishment on.

While I am an agnostic the concept of worshipping a god who would do this is bizarre to me. Seeing them as a dark force that must be obeyed makes sense but not looked up to as a perfect point of light.
Posted by millerf43
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
458 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:11 pm to
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I do believe in laws as well. I believe that abortion is murder and therefore shouldn’t be allowed in a lawful society.

*Edited!



This shite republicans is why you don't have libertarians and evangelicals in your party. This is why Justin Amash left your party. Frick the evangelicals subjective decisions on who gets rights and who doesn't. Frick you flakey son of bIIch republicans.
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:28 pm to
I’m not asking you to believe in God. I agree let bigons be bigons.

I just don’t agree with taking an innocent life and would be compelled to speak up for it. You understand that,

Do I agree that parents should be punished by law for it; no. Do I believe prosecuting professionals who offer such services, yes.

Do I understand that this would open the door for botched abortions and deaths of both mothers and children, yes.

Is that unfortunate and sad. Yes.

Do I understand that babies brought into the world who are not capable of being taken care of adequately may suffer throughout their lives and may not be productive members of society, yes.

Should that knowledge change my viewpoint on innocent life, no.

Should I try and force your beliefs, no.

However we live in a society where we must live and work together. That’s why there are laws. All I’m explaining is the law I would vote for and why. I’m not trying to change your mind.

I thought your explanation, however much I may disagree with it was respectable.
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:30 pm to
How do you infer that I am a republican because of that statement? To infer that would be quite the leap. All democrats aren’t pro-abortion and all republicans aren’t anti-abortion.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148407 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:34 pm to
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All democrats aren’t pro-abortion
honor code and all
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35857 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:36 pm to
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This shite republicans is why you don't have libertarians and evangelicals in your party. This is why Justin Amash left your party. Frick the evangelicals subjective decisions on who gets rights and who doesn't. Frick you flakey son of bIIch republicans.


It's kinda funny how they don't want government intrusion into people's lives unless it's something they don't agree with. Then they want laws telling you you can't do things.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35857 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:39 pm to
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bigons


?????

Dont you mean bigguns?

Posted by DrShrimpPuertoRico
Member since Dec 2018
70 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:50 pm to
I am amazed at the differing opinions within the thread. From a discussion standpoint, it’s interesting that commonalities have brought us to this board, but a simple question has not so simple answers.
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
5086 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:59 pm to
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What say you?



Absolutely! Unless you confess the sin, repent and receive absolution.
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 11:11 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59140 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 10:03 pm to
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As far as the OP, abortion is absolutely forgivable according to Christ. People go to hell for rejecting Christ.

that seems pretty dumb
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
9838 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 10:03 pm to
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Only the fetus goes to hell bc it wasn’t baptized. The parents go to reconciliation and then heaven.


Damn! Going straight for the jugular.

It's fricking terrifying that some people actually believe precisely what you posted.


There's no heaven or hell, just your conscious. If you can die feeling you lived a good life, you'll die happy. If you die full of regret, you won't. Either way, you turn into compost.


Posted by millerf43
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
458 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 10:16 pm to
It's always a choice between bad and worse. republicans can talk a bunch of shite but when they can't follow through they always come up with some tax cut shite while they sell out your freedom.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49625 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 10:31 pm to
I’m going to hell for a lot of reasons and I’m sure the express lane is where I currently am. . This would just be at the bottom of a very long list.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 10:36 pm to

If you're a believer, then you know abortion is God's Will.

Anyone want to call his plan wrong?
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
10922 posts
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:25 am to
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I believe it's the woman that has to endure the pregnancy and raising the child.

What does that have to do with abortion?
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Do I bear some responsibility?

Yes. Yes you do.
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If she had decided she couldn't be a mother and didn't trust me to be a father, that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy, I would have respected her choice.

And that choice would be irrelevant. And dangerous. Life is difficult. Buck up. Take care of business.
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For Christians, I do understand and respect that this is a decision that has eternal consequences for you.

It’s not about being Christian or not. You don’t have to be religious to have a common basis of morality. Our society is, as of yet, based upon Judeo Christian values. Those values dictate that you don’t have to be Jewish or Christian, but that killing is wrong.
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Don't have abortions.

Sounds like we at least have that in common. How did you come to that conclusion?
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If we can just agree to disagree about the morality and not get the state involved, abortion problem solved.

We can “agree to disagree“ about taxes and general policies, but not murder. These are the foundations of a functioning society. But you are correct: keep the government out of things.
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:37 am to
What if abortion is the only way to save the mother's life? Do you let the mother die to save a baby? What if there is risk both die unless the baby is aborted?

I'm prolly gonna save the mother's life and then try again or adopt. You know the mother is a good person that baby could grow up to be a serial killer. I'm not sure what decision I would make in the moment. I'm not sure it is my decision to make.

I've avoided these decisions so far by getting a dog. Tough world we live in.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68807 posts
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:38 am to
Well there’s no such thing as hell, unless you’re talking about being in DeRidder in the summer time.
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