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re: Do you think the process to getting a driver’s license in the US is too easily attained?
Posted on 8/9/26 at 7:54 am to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 8/9/26 at 7:54 am to Mike da Tigah
I can only comment relative to a state. Because we don't get US licenses. I had to show every possible form of proof of eligibility of US citizenship when I moved back to Texas after living in Oklahoma. I had to return to DMV because I had to request a duplicate birth certificate from Kentucky and a Social Security card. Silly me, I lost both of those.
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Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:01 am to Barbellthor
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Less of that and more of we just want people to get out and live life. Our country is bigger. More people need to be able to drive themselves.
Unfortunately, we spent the last 70+ years designing our infrastructure to be nearly completely autocentric to the point where a car is required.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:02 am to Mike da Tigah
Several yrs back I went to renew my license and a foreign lady who could barely speak English was at the counter with a folder full of papers.
She was trying to get drivers licensees for what looked like about ten people.
They turned her away.
She was trying to get drivers licensees for what looked like about ten people.
They turned her away.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:17 am to Mike da Tigah
Absolutely it’s too easy. I don’t know how other states do it, but here in Alabama all you have to do is take one semester of Driver’s Ed, usually given by an assistant coach who DGAF, where the student might actually get behind the wheel two times if they’re lucky. When the semester is over they’re given a certificate to take to the DMV. They hand over this certificate to the clerk, the clerk snaps their picture, and just like that this kid, who has only driven twice, taken no real driver’s license written test, much less had to take a road test with a drill-sergeant looking State Trooper riding shotgun, is now fully licensed to drive in the state of Alabama.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:20 am to Mike da Tigah
Does it really matter? You’d just have more people driving without a license or suspended license than you do now.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:23 am to Mike da Tigah
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but it’s actually 4.8 times.
They let their kids drink alcohol younger… maybe that’s it.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:30 am to Mike da Tigah
Years back my father in law was living with us, had his license taken away by his doctor in California because of dementia. My wife had 2 sisters, one of whom lived in Az. They told her they would take him for 2 weeks down there to give her a break.
The weeks go by, they bring him back saying he wasn't that bad. A couple hours pass and he waves a Az license from Az in her face.
She calls one of the sisters up, yelling at her WTF did you do? She said all you had to do was sign a paper stating that at 1 time you had an Az license. No driving or written test.
The weeks go by, they bring him back saying he wasn't that bad. A couple hours pass and he waves a Az license from Az in her face.
She calls one of the sisters up, yelling at her WTF did you do? She said all you had to do was sign a paper stating that at 1 time you had an Az license. No driving or written test.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:31 am to Mike da Tigah
From your link:
We are at a higher rate, almost 20% higher when normalizing for distances driven. But it’s not 2x or 4x higher.
More people drive here and more people drive at high speeds (interstate vs urban driving).
To answer your initial question, we 100% need more stringent training for drivers license and we need parents to teach their kids better. However, lifestyle differences explain the gap and actually make us much closer to the rest of the developed world than initially claimed.
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Has driving ability gotten worse since parents have offloaded drivers training to Drivers Ed and away from the house?
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U.S. distance-based death rate (1.11 per 100 million vehicle miles traveled) was higher than the average rate among 20 other high-income countries (0.92)
We are at a higher rate, almost 20% higher when normalizing for distances driven. But it’s not 2x or 4x higher.
More people drive here and more people drive at high speeds (interstate vs urban driving).
To answer your initial question, we 100% need more stringent training for drivers license and we need parents to teach their kids better. However, lifestyle differences explain the gap and actually make us much closer to the rest of the developed world than initially claimed.
Eta
Has driving ability gotten worse since parents have offloaded drivers training to Drivers Ed and away from the house?
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:31 am to Mike da Tigah
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largely to the amount of deaths on the roads here to that of the UK where you’re 2.5 times more likely to die in an automobile accident here than the UK.
Most of UK’s population uses mass transit and price of fuel is astronomical.
But to your point, just with the U.S. I see eroding driving skills (no blinker, following too close, nil adjustment to weather, etc).
The vehicle is not a 3k+ lb force of physics to most drivers. It is an entertainment machine that gets them places.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:40 am to Wally Sparks
That's what happens when your land is a completely different scale than your holy grail, Europe:
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:46 am to LemmyLives
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That's what happens when your land is a completely different scale than your holy grail, Europe:
How is Europe my “holy grail?”
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:48 am to Oilfieldbiology
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To answer your initial question, we 100% need more stringent training for drivers license and we need parents to teach their kids better. However, lifestyle differences explain the gap and actually make us much closer to the rest of the developed world than initially claimed.
Neither of which will ever happen.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:54 am to Wally Sparks
It's the fantasy American lefties have; look at all the express trains! Paris to London on the train at 200kph! You never need a car to get to work in Brussels!
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:57 am to Mike da Tigah
An American friend in the UK had to learn to keep her hand at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel, full time. She failed twice because she only used one hand one time and let both hands slip down the other time.
A North American remembrance. I was renewing my drivers license in Houston and a lot of Vietnamese came in: three to take the written test and the rest to translate the tests for them.
I watched, and the discussion of each question was a three or four man thing. It seemed as if the guy taking the test seldom said anything; I left wondering if it was as corrupted as it appeared to be.
A North American remembrance. I was renewing my drivers license in Houston and a lot of Vietnamese came in: three to take the written test and the rest to translate the tests for them.
I watched, and the discussion of each question was a three or four man thing. It seemed as if the guy taking the test seldom said anything; I left wondering if it was as corrupted as it appeared to be.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:58 am to Mike da Tigah
Yes
Posted on 8/9/26 at 8:59 am to armytiger96
No drivers Ed here. Glad you guys still have it. It's needed badly.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 9:20 am to LemmyLives
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It's the fantasy American lefties have; look at all the express trains! Paris to London on the train at 200kph! You never need a car to get to work in Brussels!
Sounds good to me (at least as far as not having to rely on a car for everything)
Posted on 8/9/26 at 9:33 am to Wally Sparks
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Sounds good to me
If you want to live in a country the size of the space between Dallas and Shreveport, have at it. Move to Boston why don't ya? Oh, you'd have to live in New Hampshire to avoid taxes? So sorry.
Posted on 8/9/26 at 9:37 am to Mike da Tigah
Way way waaaaayyyyyy too easy.
The amount of people qualified to operate a motor vehicle should be cut by about 80% and then our infrastructure should be reshaped to fit that operating model.
It'll be pain for a couple decades but our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren would thank us in the long run.
It's so wild to me that we accept the risk of death that's almost entirely optional. Yes, the US is big. There should be an option to get to Austin from Houston via bullet train. And then Austin to San Angelo. And then San Angelo to Midland.
It's not inconceivable. It's that people in this country are fat and lazy and don't want to be bothered and inconvenienced by the amount of change that would require even if it meant that their descendants would have happier lives.
The amount of people qualified to operate a motor vehicle should be cut by about 80% and then our infrastructure should be reshaped to fit that operating model.
It'll be pain for a couple decades but our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren would thank us in the long run.
It's so wild to me that we accept the risk of death that's almost entirely optional. Yes, the US is big. There should be an option to get to Austin from Houston via bullet train. And then Austin to San Angelo. And then San Angelo to Midland.
It's not inconceivable. It's that people in this country are fat and lazy and don't want to be bothered and inconvenienced by the amount of change that would require even if it meant that their descendants would have happier lives.
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 9:41 am
Posted on 8/9/26 at 9:40 am to Mike da Tigah
There are so many anecdotal tales regarding Louisiana drivers license, you couldn't list them all.
A lot us rural kids learned on tractors, old trucks, and other machinery and it was nothing to hear stories of a mama being out of baking powder and sending a 12 year old kid into town to get it.
Such was the case of myself.
Such drivers are more qualified (IMHO) than having to pay hundreds of dollars for a state approved driving course.
A lot us rural kids learned on tractors, old trucks, and other machinery and it was nothing to hear stories of a mama being out of baking powder and sending a 12 year old kid into town to get it.
Such was the case of myself.
Such drivers are more qualified (IMHO) than having to pay hundreds of dollars for a state approved driving course.
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