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re: Do you believe that we will see very negative side effects of the "fat shots" soon?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:22 am to Tigerfan257
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:22 am to Tigerfan257
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there's a very high chance most of the people using it aren't getting enough protein, hence why I believe it is bad for people.
Walk me through this. Not getting enough protein while losing weight=bad. Not getting enough protein while being fat=not bad?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:23 am to RoosterCogburn585
They lose weight but look 20 years older afterwards.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:24 am to Odinson
Look old or be morbidly obese...that's a hard one
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:26 am to Tigerfan257
quote:Probably true, but for obese and especially morbidly obese, the weight loss is probably still a net positive despite the protein and corresponding muscle deficiency. I could be wrong. I’m not an expert.
there's a very high chance most of the people using it aren't getting enough protein
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A lot of people will just get fatter once they stop it.
Also probably true, but a lot probably won’t as well.
If used to assist in a lifestyle change that has a chance to stick, I think the drugs have a chance to make a significant positive impact on health as any drug I can remember.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:27 am to Pledge
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We already know that ozempic pretty much destroys any muscle you have
so its anti catabolic but destroys muscles?
how fricking stupid are you?
we have 108 week studies showing that if resistance training is added and 1g of protein is kept at 0.8g/lbs of bodyweight that you lose less than without the glp but way more bodyfat and adherence is way way higher
good try though to try and say because you saw guys/girls eating 500calories a day and 35g protein while not lifting lose muscle that it must be the medicine huh?
guess thats why so many high level bodybuilders are using it to cut huh? too lose all their hard earned muscle
look if you dont want to use the medicine cool, dont give AF, i dont use it either. If you want to assign moralistic views to losing fat like so many want to with other PEDs and muscle gain, fine but thats fricking stupid too, but gonna call you out if you just make up dumb shite.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:27 am to Ingeniero
quote:Maybe that's what happened to the instructor in a continuing education class my wife was attending. It was a 2 day deal, they broke for lunch, came back, and the instructor shite her britches and started projectile vomiting. She'd mentioned earlier that she was on it. They had to cancel the class and the half day didn't count. They had to restart the class in its entirety 2 weeks later.
Most of those "side effects" are because the behemoths taking Ozempic try to eat past the point of fullness and the medicine punishes them for it.
Going through all of that when all most folks have to do is push away from the table for a week and train their mind that they don't need 3 full meals a day plus snacks in order to survive.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:27 am to LNCHBOX
you want to lose fat, not muscle. You need muscle because if you lose muscle you will just become skinny fat. Just because the weight shows you being lighter doesn't mean you're healthier. You can eat a ton of protein, stay the same weight but look leaner. You need to lose fat
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:28 am to Tigerfan257
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you want to lose fat, not muscle. You need muscle because if you lose muscle you will just become skinny fat. Just because the weight shows you being lighter doesn't mean you're healthier. You can eat a ton of protein, stay the same weight but look leaner. You need to lose fat
That didn't address my comment at all.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:28 am to TheOcean
and they only look older cause they have stretched the skin past the point of elasticity. but atleast they will make it to being old now.
most of these things can even be avoided with hormone manipulation through use of ghrh/ghrp therapy and the use of GHK-CU to help skin elasticity.
most of these things can even be avoided with hormone manipulation through use of ghrh/ghrp therapy and the use of GHK-CU to help skin elasticity.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:29 am to LNCHBOX
not getting enough protein= equal you're body will use muscle at energy
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:30 am to RoosterCogburn585
Will it matter?
Men ignore the potential complications of TRT.
Men ignore the potential complications of TRT.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:31 am to LNCHBOX
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Not getting enough protein while losing weight=bad. Not getting enough protein while being fat=not bad?
Its about losing lean body mass.
When they are fat, they are likely consuming adequate protein (as well as a shite ton of everything else).
When they get on Ozempic, they eat less, the shedding of lean muscle mass is an issue, so its important to focus heavily on protein intake when on these drugs.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:31 am to Pledge
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We already know that ozempic pretty much destroys any muscle you have
Rapid weight loss of any kind (like bariatric surgery) results in muscle loss if you aren’t doing activities & consuming protein to counter the loss. This is not remotely unique to semaglutide.
Also, a person weighing 300 lbs needs more lean mass to support that size than a person weighing 170. Some muscle loss is logical.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 8:36 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:32 am to RoosterCogburn585
How dare you question the flab jab. Boo this man
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:33 am to RoosterCogburn585
Think a lot of these people will be on it forever. I know 2 people on it, one needs to lose weight for health reasons, the other is lazy and doesn’t goto the gym or diet and wants to lose weight for vanity and continue his lazy lifestyle.
I’ll bet one of them gets off of it quickly and keeps the weight off and the other will be on it forever and continue being unhealthy in other ways.
I’ll bet one of them gets off of it quickly and keeps the weight off and the other will be on it forever and continue being unhealthy in other ways.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:33 am to Tigerfan257
I'm curious to know how much protein a middle aged, overweight person needs? My guess is not that much. If they have low muscle mass, it probably has more to do with getting little to no exercise versus not getting enough protein. Most Americans take in way more protein than they need.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:36 am to Tigerfan257
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You can eat a ton of protein, stay the same weight but look leaner. You need to lose fat
The problem is most protein is icky
And can you imagine asking Burger King just to give you the meat? They’d probably laugh at you
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:37 am to RoosterCogburn585
Yes, there is always a price to pay when taking short cuts.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:41 am to RoosterCogburn585
The real side effect is that the fatties will continue to eat like shite (even though they may lose weight) and will die early anyway. Never will learn discipline.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:44 am to Salmon
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When they are fat, they are likely consuming adequate protein (as well as a shite ton of everything else).
Why would you assume that? Eating "enough" protein is actually pretty hard. Most fatties aren't getting fat because they're loading up on lean meats.
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