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re: Do You Agree With This Message From Franklin Graham?
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:59 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:59 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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You need to know your history. Israel was created by secular socialist Jews from Europe. Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews are the biggest free loaders on the planet. They get exempt from military service and they get paid to study to be rabbis.
Both secular and Orthodox Jews were critical to the founding of the nation... where did I say otherwise?
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:00 pm to bamagreycoat
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Ralph have you read Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Jeremiah?
I've read Isaiah a lot and a little bit of Ezekiel and Jeremiah. A common theme is that the Messiah will come and when Israel turned its back on God bad things happened like the Babylonian Exile. Bad political events happened to the Israelites not because they turned their back on God, but because of the usual political machinations of Kings, rulers, etc. Kings made bad military, economic, and social decisions that got Israel invaded, conquered, and so on.
The prophets were about coming back to God and not about political victories.
But the Messiah is not about the politics of nations. But the Israelites and many Christians got it wrong. The Messiah was never about political fortunes or good times and bad times for nations or a country or group of people.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:01 pm to CivilTiger83
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Name majority Protestant nations that are terrible places...
There are a few African countries
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:03 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I seriously doubt the God of Abraham is a vengeful god. Does Franklin think God will now start punishing us?
It's pretty clear in the Gospels that God doesn't work that way.
Romans 12:19
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Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:04 pm to CivilTiger83
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Both secular and Orthodox Jews were critical to the founding of the nation... where did I say otherwise?
Well we will have to disagree on the historical record. The modern State of Israel was a secular construct by mostly European Jews who believed in a socialist Israel based on the ideas of the Bund.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:04 pm to 1BamaRTR
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There are a few African countries
Please name them.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:06 pm to CivilTiger83
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Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
That's not Jesus. That's Paul writing a letter of what he thinks God will do. Paul had an axe to grind. Even though he is thought of as writing to the Gentiles he also wrote in a way to win Jewish converts. Jewish converts who were still mad about the Roman occupation and wanted political power. I don't see any record of Jesus in the Gospels calling for vengeance.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:07 pm to crewdepoo
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:08 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Well we will have to disagree on the historical record. The modern State of Israel was a secular construct by mostly European Jews who believed in a socialist Israel based on the ideas of the Bund.
You are saying that Orthodox Jews had no role in Israel’s founding!?!
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:15 pm to CivilTiger83
Central African Republic
Republic of Congo
Ghana
Liberia
Malawi
There are probably more, but these are the first that come to mind.
Republic of Congo
Ghana
Liberia
Malawi
There are probably more, but these are the first that come to mind.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:23 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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That's not Jesus. That's Paul writing a letter of what he thinks God will do. Paul had an axe to grind. Even though he is thought of as writing to the Gentiles he also wrote in a way to win Jewish converts. Jewish converts who were still mad about the Roman occupation and wanted political power. I don't see any record of Jesus in the Gospels calling for vengeance.
That is rich... so you are picking which books of the Bible are legitimate? Paul’s writings should be ignored?
What about Jesus and the money changers in the temple?
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:25 pm to CivilTiger83
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Please name them.
You actually doubt this?
Kenya, South Africa, DR of the Congo, and Nigeria.
You really think whether a country is Protestant or not has significant bearing on their economic success?
African and Latin American countries in general don’t do well but that’s for plenty of other reasons.
Most of these European countries that are technically (because a lot of them don’t actually practice the religion but still identify as such) still Protestant having been seeing declines in religious numbers. Then you have a country like Japan or South Korea that are certainly not even Christian.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:25 pm to OweO
Kinda and I'm as agnog as they come.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:27 pm to SCLibertarian
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Central African Republic
Republic of Congo
Ghana
Liberia
Malawi
There are probably more, but these are the first that come to mind.
Thank you for providing some... will provide a response later... family game night.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:28 pm to OweO
Totally agree with him.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:33 pm to crewdepoo
Well... call it even because slaves descendants are also destroying it.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:38 pm to OweO
People have been trying to get Jesus involved in political matters since his time. I think he said his kingdom was not of this world.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:43 pm to OweO
I mean, it's an opinion. There are lots of those that I disagree with more.
He does a lot of good in the world but he's not perfect. Neither was his Pop.
He does a lot of good in the world but he's not perfect. Neither was his Pop.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:48 pm to OweO
Agnostically and testicularly speaking including the skewedness of all universal properties of humanities and shite.......duh mind is uh turrble thing.
Posted on 12/27/19 at 7:58 pm to Methuselah
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People have been trying to get Jesus involved in political matters since his time. I think he said his kingdom was not of this world.
In one of Billy Grahams sermons he said something along the lines of, if the US political system is based on Gods kingdom then we're in trouble.
To many Christians are consumed by politics.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 7:59 pm
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