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re: Do You Agree With This Message From Franklin Graham?

Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:43 pm to
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:43 pm to
The founding fathers didn't want a country that had a state religion like England. They wanted citizens in this country free to worship as they please. Therefore, separation of church and state. They also addressed the basic rights of man. While doing this, they believed these came from God.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:44 pm to
No, I think christianity has tried to ruin every culture it has come into contact with.

Native Americans, vikings, etc.

Posted by Peepdip
Member since Aug 2016
4946 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:44 pm to
Not mine. I worship my children and life itself. I think that life is a beautiful mystery. I work hard in the name of love. I don't need any religious beliefs to hold me back
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42675 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:44 pm to
The idea that Jesus blesses any one "nation" over another is absolutely ludicrous. It's like applying prosperity gospel on a macro scale. My relationship with my savior is a personal one and has nothing to do with me being an American.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
151053 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:46 pm to
Yes. Thats why I said relative. Our founding fathers where Christians. They valued religion. But they saw it's obvious limitations when creating a government
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 5:47 pm
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:46 pm to
No.

frick that a-hole.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68609 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:47 pm to
I agree with his message
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
68399 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:47 pm to
I agree. A government should never be in the business of telling it's citizens how to worship.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:48 pm to
Franklin Graham did not follow in his father’s foot steps. He’s a divisive, power hungry creep.
Posted by Peepdip
Member since Aug 2016
4946 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:48 pm to
No man, the universe is infinite, but God only cares about the US of A!
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:53 pm to
quote:

God only cares about the US of A!


Nah,

He just enabeled us to frick up the rest of the world if we choose to do so.

Lil commie bitch
Posted by Peepdip
Member since Aug 2016
4946 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 5:58 pm to
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commie bitch
Go cry snowflake
Posted by CatsGoneWild
Pigeon forge, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
15200 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:00 pm to
I agree with this
Posted by CatsGoneWild
Pigeon forge, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
15200 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:04 pm to
quote:


The idea that Jesus blesses any one "nation" over another is absolutely ludicrous. It's like applying prosperity gospel on a macro scale. My relationship with my savior is a personal one and has nothing to do with me being an American


Blessed is the nation who's God is the Lord

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God
Posted by SWCBonfire
South Texas
Member since Aug 2011
1422 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:15 pm to
quote:

quote:
Probably had more to do with being located far enough away from any major power while also existing on a continent loaded to an insane degree of natural resources while creating a government and way of life that allowed for the development of said resources
But would any of that have occurred without God!!!


Those resources were in place, isolated from interference for millenia before Europeans got here. And yet little was done with them.
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15997 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:15 pm to
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If anything, our forefathers pushed for a, relatively, secular society built on rationalism


For the sake of debate reference your source
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:17 pm to
quote:

No man, the universe is infinite, but God only cares about the US of A!


The universe is not infinite based on our best scientific understanding.

And based on the Jewish and Christian understanding of God - God does see all people as made in the image of God.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:20 pm to
quote:


The idea that Jesus blesses any one "nation" over another is absolutely ludicrous. It's like applying prosperity gospel on a macro scale. My relationship with my savior is a personal one and has nothing to do with me being an American.


For the Jewish and Christian it is God’s prerogative to bless or not bless nations. That is far different than the prosperity gospel which says God will bless me individually if I check the right boxes.
Posted by Peepdip
Member since Aug 2016
4946 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:20 pm to
Are we talking science or superstition? Pick one
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42675 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 6:22 pm to
And the second part of that Psalm is "the people he chose for his inheritance."

The idea of the nation-state didn't even exist until 1648 with the Peace of Westphalia, so what we refer to as a nation (legal entity with physical boundaries) isn't what nation literally meant at the time of these translations (a group of people). The nation referred to in Psalms is, in my humble opinion, the group of people who believe that God is the Lord.
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