re: Do waiters expect to get tipped post tax?

Fits the classic profile of the angry waiter.

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well then don't tip if the service is bad. that simple.

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No, it isn't that simple, and that is the point of the thread. There are plenty of us who tip something regardless because that is the fricked up way the system works and because we know waiters don't make shite.

This may sound a bit dramatic, so fair warning, but the current system places undue stress on the customer. Increase food prices as necessary to compensate the level of competence you need from your staff and most of us would be happy. I'm just tired of the stigma associated with tipping less than a certain amount because that is the social norm. 3 glasses of wine "requires" a higher tip than 7 soda refills. frick that.

If you price people out who are shitty tippers, even better for all of you, because I'm sure you can attest that the shitty tippers are almost invariably shitty customers as well.

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Are you more decisive with your shitty tips?

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you ever wonder if someone is actually deliberately doing stuff so that they don't appear more smarter than others. you really thinking your getting one on me or did i just get a one on you?

Damn, I am so confused.

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Damn, I am so confused.

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understandable but just remember i'm good at this internet thing.

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Do you perceive that the waiter/waitress "judges" his or her tables prior to service?

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do you mean this in a racist way?

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Because I worked in the service industry when I was going through college and understand what I am talking about.

I have also worked other jobs before starting my career that weren't in the service industry. I have been on salary, and not on salary. Thus, I am not biased. I find it funny that there is so much hate for people that do serve tables. But then again, I tip 20% every time, unless the server sucks.

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You and I are a lot alike, right down to our standard tip amount and the degree we hold. We also apparently have pretty different opinions on the ideas in this thread, so your credentials that give you the superior unbiased opinion aren't really valid.

Who is the arbiter of what is considered "good" service? You seem to want it to be the person upon whom that judgement is cast, rather than the recipient of the service. And I know there many times where objectively good service is not rewarded, but every server thinks he/she is awesome.

No, but do you exert more or less effort on a TPOS table or someone paying with a company AMEX card?

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You and I are a lot alike, right down to our standard tip amount and the degree we hold. We also apparently have pretty different opinions on the ideas in a this thread, so your credentials that give you the superior unbiased opinion aren't really valid.

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well than I feel better having this argument with you since we are on level playing field. But I said that comment in reply to the others comparing serving and selling coffee and shoes.


And to each their own when it comes to what they think is a fair tip. That goes beyond what we can debate.