re: Do people realize the fuel for EVs is Petroleum?

I can't speak about 2004, but good data shows that an eight year (effective) lifespan can be expected under normal, consumer usage.

It is interesting that despite this positive, EV resale is terrible and EV adoption has essentially flatlined.

Until infrastructure and battery tech improves that's where we are.

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Efficiency is better with EVs.

Power plants are better at turning gas into energy than cars are. Same amount of fuel at the power plant powers more EVs than the same amount in a gas engine.

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Do have to account for the 5% line loss (getting power from plant to charging station), 7% loss at the charging station and a possible loss of 8-32% at the battery (unlikely- only happens if sits unused).

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$25k every 10 years is a lot.

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That’s assuming a salvage value of zero, which isn’t realistic.

And the aftermarket will take this price down further...

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Do have to account for the 5% line loss (getting power from plant to charging station), 7% loss at the charging station and a possible loss of 8-32% at the battery (unlikely- only happens if sits unused).

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And yet it’s still more efficient

C'mon man, we all know that 'lectricity comes from the power outlet on the wall, the 3rd rate bartender from NY, aka Sandy aoc, told us so.

EVs are just little play-pretty's for the well off and the Karens & their cuck husbands.

Think about this: It takes a half a million pounds, 500,000 lbs. of raw earf materials just to make ONE, thats UNO, UN, EINS, EEN...EV battery so Karen and her cuck hubby can drive around and pat themselves on their blessed little backs for saving the environment.

Consider:

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Today, a typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt,
200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum,
steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.

It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt,
5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper.

All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery.

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You see those yuge gigantic Earf moving trucks and other machinery being towed down the Interstate Highways. You see the 18 wheelers hauling those gigantic tires that are 8-10 tall.

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Each mine usually consists of thirty-five to forty humongous 797 Caterpillar haul trucks along
with hundreds of other large equipment.
Each 797 uses around half a million gallons of diesel a year. So, with an inventory of just thirty-five the haul trucks alone are using 17.5 million gallons of fuel a year for just
one lithium site.

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Which leads to another point: Lithium mining. Huge pits have to be cut deep down into the Earth which goes down hundreds of feet and hundreds of miles wide. The environmental damage is immense.

EVs are inferior to ICE vehicles in just about EVERY category.
They are heavier and require lots more energy to power one.
EVs do have a lot more torque and there are some useful applications for them.
Warehouse forklifts, golf carts...even then, they require charging stations and the battery packs are nasty and in constant need of maintenance.

I know of a few instances where school districts right here in Louisiana have purchased EV school buses and they are now parked in the back yard because they don't run and the mechanics don't know how to repair them and the waiting list for repairs by qualified techs has NO ETA.

There went a cool $250,000 per bus that is basically a useless hunk of junk sitting in the back lot doing nothing but taking up space.
They could have taken that money and purchase 3-4 ICE buses that would last 20-25 years with basic maintenance costs involved.

I keep hearing of all these new 'breakthroughs' on battery technology. Well as someone said, 'Show me the money'. We have been reading about these breakthroughs for the last 30 years.
The only real advance we have had in batteries is the lithium battery technology. And that has peaked, there is going to be a few tweaks here and there.

Until there is a quantum leap in battery technology, we will still need ICE vehicles for a long long time.

But Bootyjuice told me they are efficient.

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Gasoline in your car is sourced from a refinery which releases a lot of CO2

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So?

There’s a lifecycle break even point for every manufacturer. Tesla commissioned an independent engineers report on it a few years ago when I did my second lease portfolio deal with them because the primary investor had an ESG team that was pitching a fit. I seem to remember it being around the 5 year or 50k miles range. I could check later when I get home. I still have the report. That will deviate heavily between manufacturers because of supply chain differences.

You forgot coal.