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re: Discovery Plus is trying to teach your kids that Abe Lincoln was gay

Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:35 am to
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:35 am to
I bet the politicians now are so envious of the older generation.

As time ticks on its harder for them to hide their indiscretions while these old timers had all the fun and nothing to prove they ever did anything wrong.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41084 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:37 am to
Haven't we know/thought this for at least 160 plus years?
Posted by HuskyPanda
Philly
Member since Feb 2018
2422 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:48 am to
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There is no historical evidence to support that claim.


I've never heard this speculation, but I have read that Alexander Hamilton may have played both sides
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:50 am to
Its very important that our children know these things
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:51 am to




She resembles Al Capone.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23393 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:52 am to
quote:

I've never heard this speculation,

It’s historical revisionism that’s popped up in the last 15 years.

I challenge anyone to produce any substantive evidence that Lincoln was gay.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40360 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:53 am to
It is well known that Jeff Davis was trans
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17592 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:56 am to
He may have not been gay. But he did hunt vampires.
Posted by TideHater
Orange Beach AL
Member since May 2007
19868 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:56 am to
Letters in the Smithsonian show that he shared a bed with a male captain on many occasions. Pretty sure he was gay.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:02 am to
Gay tyrants make the worst tyrants
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:09 am to
quote:

quote:
I've never heard this speculation,

It’s historical revisionism that’s popped up in the last 15 years.

I challenge anyone to produce any substantive evidence that Lincoln was gay.


Dude, I graduated 30 years ago and I heard this in school.
Posted by TideHater
Orange Beach AL
Member since May 2007
19868 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:34 am to
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Predictably, most Lincoln authorities prefer to ignore the implications of the Lincoln-Speed letters. But not Jonathan Ned Katz; in 2001 this relentless scholar wrote a study of their “love affair” as an example of sex between men before the invention of homosexuality; a word and generic concept that dates back only to the late 19th century, while “heterosexuality,” previously popularly known as “just sex,” is now the name for a new admirable team whose first appearance in public print was in a 1924 edition of, I fear, the New York Times. But more to the point, Tripp notes that although Lincoln was plainly bisexual,


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Tripp has interesting “new” material on Lincoln’s encounters as a young man in New Salem, Illinois (where Lincoln lived from 1831-37); he reports on “contacts” with merchant A.Y. Ellis and fellow lawyer Henry Whitney, the last observing that Lincoln seemed always to be courting him: Whitney also reported that Lincoln said that sexual contact was a “harp of a thousand strings.” So what form did these contacts take? One hint is given by Billy Greene, who shared a bed and a grammar teacher (not together) with Lincoln in New Salem around 1831. Greene described Lincoln’s muscular figure as attractive to him, commenting in particular on his powerful thighs, which suggests a form of sexuality
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 10:37 am
Posted by sprefontaine7
Member since Jun 2023
115 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:36 am to
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Looks like Les Miles in drag:

Posted by Impotent Waffle
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2007
10129 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:38 am to
Sighhhhhhh……..

I swear some of y’all are so consumed by this….

Also this is not groundbreaking news about ole “Honest” Abe
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17581 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:41 am to
Fairly common knowledge. See Log cabin republicans.
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:49 am to
That picture reminds me of Babe Ruth but I can't find a bic of him to match.

Maybe I am having a Mandela Effect
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70536 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:52 am to
So was James Buchanan. It was the gays who caused the Civil War with their gayness, obviously
Posted by LuckySo-n-So
Member since Jul 2005
22656 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:08 am to
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There were a shite-ton of dandies in politics that were "confirmed bachelors."


Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108046 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:17 am to
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it's speculation, the only "evidence" I've ever heard of was that at one time he had a male roommate, which was pretty common at the time if you lived in a town


It’s based upon two things. First, the length of time in which he shared a bed with Joshua Speed (something along the lines of four years) but as said bed sharing wasn’t uncommon. The length of time simply piques curiosity.

The second piece is there was an alleged “hidden diary” and letters that belonged to Speed that supposedly outlined their sexual relationship that were discovered in a private collection in Iowa by Larry Kramer in the late 90s. They were never actually produced for anyone else to see, even after Kramer died, so it’s pure speculation that they even existed.

For what it’s worth, Speed was from Louisville and I grew up just up the road from his estate, Farmington. Knowing folks that helped excavate and renovate the estate, no one ever found any evidence of a sexual relationship between the two there either. Just that they were close friends.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 11:18 am
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10613 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:17 am to
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She wasn't just pudgy. She was volatile, abusive, and swung a mean frying pan.


Hillary???
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