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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:44 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:44 pm to The Spleen
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Agreed. I didn't watch a single second of the trial though, just basing it off the video of the incident. I thought all along murder was too high a bar for the prosecution to clear.
Like you, based solely from the video I figured manslaughter. After watching 90% of the trial I think he should be acquitted but I feel the manslaughter charge will be the compromise.
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Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:45 pm to JDPndahizzy
I assure you he will be convicted of something. Second Degree Manslaughter would be a big win for the defense.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:47 pm to JDPndahizzy
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the compromise.
This is for a man’s freedom. There should be no compromise
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:48 pm to JDPndahizzy
It doesn't fit though. Far too many confounding factors like heart disease, COVID and, oh yeah...an opiate overdose.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:48 pm to roadGator
This is true but I can actually see the elements of MS2 being met, here, more than I see them not being met.
There’s no way any murder should stick.
There’s no way any murder should stick.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:49 pm to Jake88
It could be argued very convincingly that Chauvin consciously made the choice to remain kneeling on someone who became unresponsive, creating a risk for great bodily harm which resulted.
It could also be argued Floyd would have died anyway but I’m not sure that was convincingly demonstrated.
It could also be argued Floyd would have died anyway but I’m not sure that was convincingly demonstrated.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:49 pm to roadGator
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This is for a man’s freedom. There should be no compromise
This.
Either there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, or he is found not guilty.
There is nothing in between.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:50 pm to roadGator
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This is for a man’s freedom. There should be no compromise
I know that. You know that. Do the jurors know that? More importantly, will they hold true to the instruction from the judge? I doubt it. But I hope.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:52 pm to roadGator
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the compromise.
This is for a man’s freedom. There should be no compromise
Civil cases can have feelings. This is a criminal case. We start compromising with a person's life we are done.
I watched the full trial. As a common human I can in zero way tell you what roll or how much Chauvin's action played into Floyd's death. It is absurd to think it didn't play some roll. It is also absurd to say those other things played no roll. Was that roll criminal though?
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:53 pm to Tiguar
Manslaughter is more likely but in doing a really really bad job of prosecuting murder charges, they did an also terrible job of proving manslaughter.
If they would have went harder on that, they could have easily gotten their blood and revenge.
It's bullshite they so blatantly overcharge then tack on a lesser charge. And on top of that, will retry a hung jury. frick these people
If they would have went harder on that, they could have easily gotten their blood and revenge.
It's bullshite they so blatantly overcharge then tack on a lesser charge. And on top of that, will retry a hung jury. frick these people
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:53 pm to JDPndahizzy
Any lawyers care to comment on deliberation time?
I would think the longer they deliberate, the better it is for the defense?
I would think the longer they deliberate, the better it is for the defense?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:54 pm to CptRusty
quote:Probably.
I would think the longer they deliberate, the better it is for the defense?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:55 pm to partyboy1930
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Second Degree Manslaughter would be a big win for the defense.
I'm guessing you did not watch trial.
Anything other than an acquittal for the defense is a loss..
Anything other than "Not Guilty" is a big win for the prosecution.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:56 pm to RealDawg
Unless you know exactly how much weight was on the drug addict criminals back by the second you can’t say he had anything of note to do with the prog hero dying.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:56 pm to JodyPlauche
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Anything other than "Not Guilty" is a big win for the prosecution.
Agreed.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:57 pm to Tigers0891
Yeah, I’ve felt from the beginning if they just argued MS2 and focused everything on that, this would have been a more slam dunk that everyone can feel alright about.
Instead we’re sitting here hoping the jury isn’t pressured into convicting obviously the wrong charge and wondering if MS2 is even what occurred.
No one will be happy with the outcome no matter what it is which is why it’s so important to select correct charges.
Instead we’re sitting here hoping the jury isn’t pressured into convicting obviously the wrong charge and wondering if MS2 is even what occurred.
No one will be happy with the outcome no matter what it is which is why it’s so important to select correct charges.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:57 pm to CptRusty
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I would think the longer they deliberate, the better it is for the defense?
To a certain extent. A quick vedict swings towards guilty.
A very long deliberation time in this situation would make me think there is 1 NOT guilty person the others are trying to wear down.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:01 pm to JodyPlauche
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Anything other than an acquittal for the defense is a loss..
anything other than acquittal is a loss for everyone. the justice system will be more and more swayed by the media and politics. that isn't good for anyone.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:02 pm to roadGator
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Unless you know exactly how much weight was on the drug addict criminals back by the second you can’t say he had anything of note to do with the prog hero dying.
True.... I think the Dr who did the autopsy said it best. With the restraint, with the resistance, with everything else going on, it was more than what GF's body could handle. But what does that mean exactly? To me it means he shouldn't have been resisting and he'd still be alive. The police are not going to NOT let you get in the car one way or another... Question is, how will the jury deliberate this? Will they blame Chauvin or blame GF's actions and health?
I really don't know. One thing I do know is that both sides of the argument needs to brace for the verdict to not go their way because there's no fricking telling what these 12 folks will hand to the judge.
Edit: And the fricking drugs!!!
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:03 pm to BallsEleven
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A very long deliberation time in this situation would make me think there is 1 guilty person the others are trying to wear down
I would think it is far more likely to be the other way. One not-guilty they are trying to swing over. He definitely will not be found unanimously not- guilty. Either they are going to nail him on the cross or it will be a hung jury.
My prediction is that he is fricked. It's going to be a murder conviction to placate the mob.
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