re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today

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I have been out of pocket for the last couple of days - but isn’t this game, set, match? How could anyone looking at GF know he had a heart condition? The corollary is without those heart conditions the subdual and restraint doesn’t result in death.

For 3rd degree murder the act must be “eminently dangerous to others.” How could an act that wouldn’t normally result in death be considered eminently dangerous?

Similarly, for manslaughter the defendant must commit “culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another.” If he survives but for his unknown cardiac issues - how does one conclude the act created an unreasonable risk? Further, how can it be said one is consciously taking chances of causing death?

There is a lot of emotion involved and unbelievable pressure on the jury, so who knows. But this certainly raises substantial, much less reasonable doubt of guilt.

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Great explanation. Makes perfect sense.

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I speculated passive-aggression. ( not well-received here ). A possibility is that he was “teaching Floyd a lesson”. Maybe it pissed him off royally that Floyd resisted as he did and made what could have been rather easy into something difficult.

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What evidence supports that speculation?

I think it is more likely that the officers were caught in a weird situation and made a bad choice of holding and waiting for EMS.

There is nothing that suggests he was intentionally trying to do harm due anger.

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Yeah I think when you look at who is at fault you say George Floyd was the reason the cops came. Then Floyd was the reason he got take out of the car, and Floyd was the reason he ultimately got out in his stomach and handcuffed. Throw in the drugs and his behavior and the crowd around and you can’t fault the cops.

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All relevant to a certain degree, but all the above also becomes red herring at a certain point as well. Ultimately the questions become this:

Whether DC knew or should have known of GF's swiftly deteriorating medical condition, and then whether DC was possessed of any reasonably available options to mitigate GF's medical condition. And to a more speculative degree, what DC's mindset was if it's determined that he did have options reasonably available to mitigate, yet consciously chose not to exercise said option(s).

I haven’t watched this since day 1 of it. Is there a feeling either way of how this could go?

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We can't speculate. We do know that technique is taught at the police academy. I don't know what the policy says of when you release (is it an officers judgment?). Personally, I put more blame on the initial officer who escalated the situation by dropping F-bombs. I would be livid if a cop told me to "fricking comply." Very irresponsible under the circumstances.

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Cops, as a general rule, are fairly low-IQ individuals. The standards to be a police officer are extremely low and you guys are expecting these shitheels to be critical thinkers under stress.

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Cops, as a general rule, are fairly low-IQ individuals

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well if you’re going to paint a broad brush why don’t you break it down by race?

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What evidence supports that speculation?

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Well, given it is only speculation it doesn’t require any supporting evidence.

I base it on several things. Reports of Chauvin being aggro in the past, the anger I would feel in that situation, the anger it caused in myself when watching the video of Floyd carrying on and being a little B and not simply doing as instructed, the fact that Chauvin worked a high crime area no doubt regularly encountering ignorant people, drug addicts, hostility towards police, name calling of police, and ridiculous, unnecessary resisting of arrest.

How could anyone NOT become fed up with people in an area like that and not have some anger towards the community?

Add in that a police officer was shot in the back of the head as he was eating pizza in a pizza joint only a few blocks from where Chauvin had the encounter with Floyd. Shot by a black gang-member. Something every cop in that city knows about. “this is the community that kills cops” may well have been the mindset.

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I haven’t watched this since day 1 of it. Is there a feeling either way of how this could go?

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JMO, I suspect either conviction of a lesser offense, or alternatively a hung jury/mistrial. I believe the jury will be less affected by the sense of fear and concern about blowback from the public regarding their final decision as many people think is the case, and they'll appropriately duke it out behind closed doors once deliberations begin. They'll come to a fully considered decision for a lesser and included offense, or they'll lock up. I don't believe DC will be found guilty of the highest charged offense of 2nd degree murder.

A cop has either beat that dude's arse or fricked his wife

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was just stating that it seems like he could have tried something, his nonchalantness was callous and is uncomfortable, at the very least. A guy under his

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You're using hindsight to make they statement. Floyd fought back, the cops asked NUMEROUS times what he was on and called for medical not once but twice. Then add in the crowd starting to build and get verbally aggressive. If the criminal lies about being on anything and fights you back while you also have to worry about the crowd what exactly could Chauvin have done?
Absolutely nothing and to suggest other wise is extremely disingenuous.

Tell me how a cop is supposed to know you have heart disease with blockage and covid on top of 3 different drugs, 2 that could be fatal, without knowing anything about the perp.