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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:40 pm to Rebel
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:40 pm to Rebel
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All this means is that his heart and lungs stopped working while being restrained by cops.
He never said Chauvin was responsible for GF's death.
he didnt say DC was criminally 'responsible' specifically because its not the ME's place to name the 'homicider' for lack of a better term.
its pretty clear he meant DC's actions resulted in the death without assigning legal responsibility.
medically - the death was determined to be a homicide meaning one persons actions resulted in the death of another. ie - GF died when his heart/lungs stopped as a result of the individuals involved in the subdual and restraint. its clear the homicide had to be done by someone involved in subdual and restraint.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 9:06 pm
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:47 pm to Rebel
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Homicide—‘‘occurs when death results from...’’ an injury or poisoning or
from ‘‘...a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm,
or death. Intent to cause death is a common element but is not required for
classification as homicide.’
CDC definition, which the ME also said was the basis for criteria on that determination. It appears the ME explained it slightly differently at at least 2 points in his testimony.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:50 pm to AMS
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GF died when his heart/lungs stopped as a result of the individuals involved in the subdual and restraint. its clear the homicide had to be done by someone involved in subdual and restraint.
So his documented heart problems and habitual drug use and all of the drugs he consumed that day had nothing doing with his death?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:51 pm to crimsonsaint
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So his documented heart problems and habitual drug use and all of the drugs he consumed that day had nothing doing with his death?
no and no one is saying that
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:02 pm to Rebel
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seriously. take your L and move on.
Ams has been caught flip flopping on answers and moving goalpost and straight up lying. Why even waste time with a lying biased racist...
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:02 pm to AMS
Again, sweetheart, these aren't my words or my interpretation of Bakers words.
This is what Baker said under oath.
This is what Baker said under oath.
quote:
Baker concluded that Floyd's death was a homicide — which as a forensic pathologist he explained means that someone else was involved in the death, not necessarily that it was criminal.
Blackwell asked how it was the subdual, restraint and neck compression caused Floyd's death.
Baker explained that Floyd had severe underlying heart disease. Floyd also had hypertensive heart disease, Baker said, "which means that his heart weighed more than it should."
"So he has a heart that already needs more oxygen than a normal heart, by virtue of its size. And it's limited in its ability to step up to provide more oxygen when there's demand, because of the narrowing of his coronary arteries," Baker said.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:07 pm to Rebel
Now I will try to paraphrase in a way you might be able to understand.
Baker concluded the cause of death was GF's heart and lungs stopped working. There was no asphyxiation, hypoxia, strangulation, or any other types of oxia's or phyxiatins.
He said that because of all of the other things, heart disease, 90% blockage of aorta, lethal level of fentanyl, the added stress of being detained was the final straw that broke the camels back.
Baker concluded the cause of death was GF's heart and lungs stopped working. There was no asphyxiation, hypoxia, strangulation, or any other types of oxia's or phyxiatins.
He said that because of all of the other things, heart disease, 90% blockage of aorta, lethal level of fentanyl, the added stress of being detained was the final straw that broke the camels back.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:18 pm to Rebel
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Again, sweetheart, these aren't my words or my interpretation of Bakers words.
This is what Baker said under oath.
also from your article.
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But Baker reiterated he stood by the cause of death he wrote on Floyd's death certificate and his finding Floyd's death was a homicide, which to a medical examiner means his death was caused by another person and does not necessarily indicate guilt.
quote:
Again, sweetheart, these aren't my words or my interpretation of Bakers words.
This is what Baker said under oath.
just for fun
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:22 pm to AMS
yes, AMS. The final straw was caused by the police detaining George Floyd.
That in no way means they are responsible for his death.
That in no way means they are responsible for his death.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:22 pm to Rebel
Jesus H Christ, can't the tards that only post in this thread to argue be banned? I try to actually catch up on the trail and the last 10 pages or more has been nothing but back and forth with those two morons.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:25 pm to TxWadingFool
which two morons are you talking about?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:25 pm to TxWadingFool
Here’s the secret..... only look at the post that are made during the trial. Everyone else is refuting what some posters are hearing from talking heads or trolls with an agenda
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:27 pm to Rebel
Must you really ask, one is apparently a she and the other is apparently her alter.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:31 pm to Rebel
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i realize the media and others are twisting themselves into knots thinking the ME was a big win for the state proving Chauvin committed "homicide". But that isn't what happened at all.
The ME ruled it a homicide. Period.
And when asked today if he would still call the manner of death homicide, replied:
“ Yes, I would still classify it as a homicide today.”
Who committed homicide if not Chauvin?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:31 pm to Rebel
Here's a tip, neither
you or anyone else on this board is going to change her mind so any further interaction with her is a waste of time and bandwidth.
you or anyone else on this board is going to change her mind so any further interaction with her is a waste of time and bandwidth.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:33 pm to LightMerchant
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Who committed homicide if not Chauvin?
Not who but what...
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:34 pm to LightMerchant
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The ME ruled it a homicide. Period.
And when asked today if he would still call the manner of death homicide, replied:
“ Yes, I would still classify it as a homicide today.”
Who committed homicide if not Chauvin?
He also stated his classification of homicide is completely different from the legal classification of homicide. He explained it is completely different worlds.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:36 pm to TxWadingFool
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Jesus H Christ, can't the tards that only post in this thread to argue be banned? I try to actually catch up on the trail and the last 10 pages or more has been nothing but back and forth with those two morons.
Excuse by bad form. I took this to be a thread about the trial and we were discussing the trial.
Is there an existing thread for discussing the trial, what took place in the trial, what was said in testimony, and / or the legal issues?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:39 pm to AMS
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one study measured 23% airway diameter reduction, this study measured 6%. Both prove the airway is compressible with the minimal force involved with cricoid pressure. both prove the airway of the hypopharynx is compressible without breaking the hyoid. and I believe you should be smart enough to figure out implications on airflow in an airway with reduced diameter.
From pressure ON THE FRONT of the neck
That’s how this whole argument started, I said pressure on the back or one side of the neck can’t compress the airway.
The ME clearly stated today that he didn’t think chauvins knee on the neck caused asphyxiation. It’s because it’s blatantly obvious to anyone who knows the anatomy
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:42 pm to LightMerchant
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LightMerchant
At this point I have to assume you eat crayons when not posting.
I've shown you Bakers words 3 times explaining what homicide means in relation to the death certificate.
I've given you access to the direct testimony as provided by the far left news site NPR.
Yet somehow you are inferring Baker testified that Chauvin is responsible for the death for George Floyd. He was very deliberate in saying that was not the case.
There is no need to further explain anything to you. Hopefully the jurors aren't as thick as your are.
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