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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:48 pm to Yellerhammer5
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:48 pm to Yellerhammer5
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think the jury is going to end up with something like 10-2.
If it does it will be 10 not guilty and 2 to convict.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 7:15 pm
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:48 pm to IT_Dawg
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White dude and the city burns....
One would hope people on a jury wouldn’t base their decision on what happens after the fact
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:50 pm to Yellerhammer5
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I agree. I think the jury is going to end up with something like 10-2.
Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't really looked into excited delirium, ways to combat it, or the MPD training manual which shows his actions to be correct, which the defense will certainly cover in the coming days.
Chauvin already looks to be in a pretty good spot at this point in the trial, and we haven't even gotten to the REAL issues in his favor yet.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So is dude getting off here or what? We all know he’s not guilty, I just want to know when he’ll be suing the various media outlets that falsely reported that he murdered the drug addict and presented altered videos portraying him as a murderer.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:52 pm to biohzrd
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Our basic field medics had a better grasp of this type of death than you appear to have.
They must constantly hang themselves while jerking off.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:53 pm to idlewatcher
quote:Reminds me of medical malpractice suits. There are docs that do nothing but testify for plaintiffs. You hire one, and you are buying the testimony you want.
They actually got their "own" ME to re-do the autopsy with obviously conflicting results from the original ME's.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:54 pm to Yellerhammer5
quote:I am not arguing either way.
If you've put enough pressure to constrict the trachea, then you are already constricting the carotid arteries so the brain is being starved of oxygen. Applying enough pressure to constrict the trachea would just be further insult to injury. If Chauvin played any role in Floyd's death, then the carotids were almost certainly constricted.
Just stating concepts.
If there was tracheal compression, yes, that would cause asphyxia, with or without carotid artery compression.
If there was compression of a singular carotid artery, that potentially isn’t an issue if the other has appropriate flow.
The lawyers can argue over the other issues.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:57 pm to Scruffy
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If there was compression of a singular carotid artery, that potentially isn’t an issue if the other has appropriate flow
In theory, yes. But he was clearly having issues breathing as well. There could also have been a degree of positional asphyxia as well. Blocking one carotid could have been a bigger issue for him than for a healthier person.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:00 pm to Yellerhammer5
How do you feel about him checking every single box of excited delirium syndrome (which is deadly in itself)?
Why hasn't this been a huge topic of discussion in this thread?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:02 pm to Yellerhammer5
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There could also have been a degree of positional asphyxia as well.
Or, not.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:02 pm to Yellerhammer5
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In theory, yes. But he was clearly having issues breathing as well. There could also have been a degree of positional asphyxia as well.
I'm not 100% certain Floyd was struggling to breath at all. He sort of seemed like the little boy that cried woof. He just wanted the cops to feel sorry for him maybe. When he was under that neck he was very loud. He was loud and seemed to have a lot of energy just before he passed. The girlfriend said he never told her he couldn't breath when he overdosed in front of her. (at least that's how I remember her testimony)
Instead of viewing this Floyd as such a great guy who didn't deserve to die, this might have been an evil man that knew he was about to go out, he even predicted he was going to die before he went to the ground, and wanted everyone to think he couldn't breath and it would be the cops fault. Remember he liked robbing pregnant women
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:12 pm to Tiguar
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Yeah, the dude in this case report totally looks like Floyd
LINK
It was not positional asphyxia.
It won’t be no matter how much you wish it was.
how about a more similar and recent case? it covers all the hot buzzwords like polysubstance, excited delerium, and extreme agitation/resistance by the victim.
LINK
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The cause of death was restraint asphyxia by a second party on the basis of an excited delirium. The manner of death was concluded to be manslaughter.
similar cases under circumstances does not bode well for the defense.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:14 pm to RazorBroncs
This was written in 2014 by one of the leading forensic pathologists. It’s like he had this case in mind.
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Although the syndrome of excited delirium is sufficient to explain death, other intervening causes need to be considered. These include chest or neck compression during restraint, blunt trauma, and underlying natural disease. Since chest/neck compression, natural disease (e.g., atherosclerosis), blunt trauma, and excited delirium are not mutually exclusive, all may be present in one death.
When attempting to determine the proximate cause of death in instances with multiple potential causes, determining the mechanism of death often is useful. As not all causes of death have pathologically-demonstrable mechanisms of death, examination of the circumstances of the death often are diagnostically important. The main goal of the autopsy of deaths suspected to be due to EDS is to identify (or exclude) intervening diseases or injuries sufficient to explain the death in the context of the investigated circumstances.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:14 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Yellerhammer5
Let me tell you one thing right now so it’s very clear to you.....
I don’t care if you are an actual Dr or not.... I’d rather one of my former operators be working on me than I’d ever want you to.
You’re the type of pussy that couldn’t handle anything outside of your controlled environment. I can promise you if you saw, and had to deal with the things me and my men had to deal with, you’d shite your panties.
You’re a weak person, if even”Dr.”.
My corpsman ended up going to med school, graduated top of his class. He told me pediatricans are the pussies of the medical trade, but rely on the emotions of parents wanting the best for their children...
What catigory do fall into?? Pussy, or actual doctor???
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:16 pm to biohzrd
You’re clearly getting emotional right now. I think you should step away from this thread for a while.
Weird flex, but I’ll pass it on to Scruffy.
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He told me pediatricans are the pussies of the medical trade, but rely on the emotions of parents wanting the best for their children...
Weird flex, but I’ll pass it on to Scruffy.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:18 pm to biohzrd
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I don’t care if you are an actual Dr or not.... I’d rather one of my former operators be working on me than I’d ever want you to.
You’re the type of pussy that couldn’t handle anything outside of your controlled environment. I can promise you if you saw, and had to deal with the things me and my men had to deal with, you’d shite your panties.
You’re a weak person, if even”Dr.”.
My corpsman ended up going to med school, graduated top of his class. He told me pediatricans are the pussies of the medical trade, but rely on the emotions of parents wanting the best for their children...
What catigory do fall into?? Pussy, or actual doctor???
these people try to say you are the emotional one
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:25 pm to Scruffy
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the ME report stated the pulmonary edema was consistent with asphyxiation.
Wouldn’t you be more likely to see said pulmonary edema in an opiate overdose (or other hypo ventilation syndrome) versus hypoxia from carotid compression?
Wouldn’t you be more likely to see said pulmonary edema in an opiate overdose (or other hypo ventilation syndrome) versus hypoxia from carotid compression?
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:25 pm to Yellerhammer5
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You’re clearly getting emotional right now. I think you should step away from this thread for a while.
Is this medical opinion, or just your way of getting out of a confrontation bc you can’t back your shite up??
You’re a Wikipedia MD, pediatrician trying play yourself off as a real MD.
For frick sake bt my military, offshore, and ERT training, to me you sound like the pediatrician I’d never send my kids too.
Like I said... Wikipedia Dr.
Prove me wrong.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:33 pm to Tiguar
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Wouldn’t you be more likely to see said pulmonary edema in an opiate overdose (or other hypo ventilation syndrome) versus hypoxia from carotid compression?
its nonspecific and could be found either way or not at all.
although in opiate overdose you would expect the respiratory depression to occur more subtly over a longer timeframe. People say Floyd was fine talking shouting and screaming the whole time. that is pretty much the opposite of what youd see in opioid induced respiratory failure.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 7:35 pm
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