re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today

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That is an incorrect stance then.

There is a multitude of techniques which may cause asphyxiation without external signs.

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You’re probably an incompetent medical professional and a liberal to boot .

That is the depth of half the posters in this threads reasoning. It’s pretty bad.

I’ve seen both the results of execution by hanging from Muslims in the Middle East after they learned those people had been working with us, and a guy I worked with that accidentally hung himself jerking off in his state room when I worked offshore.

None of the aftermath was peaceful. Saying I’ve watched too many movies.... That’s cute.

The mussies learned to use wire in the hopes it would totally take the head off. That way they wouldn’t have to watch the victim thrash around, and get the death shakes. Kinda strange considering that beheading with a knife, chainsaw, or any of the other implements they used seemed less sadistic.

My friend that hung himself(as you say peacefully) still shite himself, and soaked the room in other bodily fluids...

GFY...... You are the typical know it all that knows nothing other than what he can look up on Wikipedia, or google.

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As a pediatrician, I'm sure you are extremely familiar with asphyxia and autopsy findings (or lack thereof) due to infant cases involving unsafe sleep.

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It occurs and I have seen it.

That cause is generally not applicable to this situation due to the usual cause of infant or pediatric asphyxia not being terribly similar.

Those instances tend to be due to complete respiratory obstruction, i.e. choking or rollover suffocation, which doesn’t appear to be the case in this situation. I don’t recall the trachea being compressed.

The other general view people hold, which could go either way, is compression of the carotid arteries. You can survive with a singular carotid artery. It happens in severe atherosclerosis where removal of the clot may cause more damage via a stroke and the situation is monitored as long as the other carotid is sufficiently clear.

It all depends on how the argument is made by the prosecution or the defense.

Other case could be made for the general weight of the defendant not allowing the sufficient expansion of the victim’s lungs, this causing an asphyxiation.

Autopsies, like historical research, often require an element of “imagination” when the cause isn’t definitive.

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You’re probably an incompetent medical professional and a liberal to boot .

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Looks like Scruffy is in your head.

Maybe you'll learn something.

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AMS is a true believer

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The religious zealots are quick to point out their adherence to their religion in the face of facts and logic.

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AMS is a true believer

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Will disappear when the verdict comes out.

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That cause is generally not applicable to this situation due to the usual cause of infant or pediatric asphyxia not being terribly similar.

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I'm citing it because it demonstrates that not all deaths have autopsy findings, even when a large parent rolls onto an infant in the middle of the night and kills it. Even in traumatic asphyxia, there's no guarantee that the pressure required for death is also enough to cause visible injury.

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The other general view people hold, which could go either way, is compression of the carotid arteries. You can survive with a singular carotid artery. It happens in severe atherosclerosis where removal of the clot may cause more damage via a stroke and the situation is monitored as long as the other carotid is sufficiently clear.

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If you've put enough pressure to constrict the trachea, then you are already constricting the carotid arteries so the brain is being starved of oxygen. Applying enough pressure to constrict the trachea would just be further insult to injury. If Chauvin played any role in Floyd's death, then the carotids were almost certainly constricted.

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I'm going to cite a passage from Forensic Pathology: Principles and Practice. Please feel free to bring your own sources to the discussion

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No need to cite another source. Yours is plenty. See:

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“chemical” asphyxia. Asphyxial deaths span the spectrum from the obvious to the inconspicuous

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In fact, the information needed for the diagnosis of asphyxia and, hence, the cause of death, may lie entirely in the scene investigation and the circumstances of the death

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What your article is saying, is that asphyxia could be inconspicuous, like chemical asphyxia. No where in what you posted shows asphyxia by force (towel, knee, etc) has been done without leaving a single mark.

You asked about people dying of a towel by hanging. I asked you to show me one single case wheee it didn’t leave a nanometer of a mark and left everything in the neck perfectly normal, which is what the ME found for GF....

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All 12

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No way at least 1 person doesn’t vote not guilty

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Yellerhammer5

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Prove you actually a MD.....

Bc I don’t believe you. Our basic field medics had a better grasp of this type of death than you appear to have.

We’re not talking about infants that get smother in boobs and fat bellies. We’re talking about a man that was 6’4” and well over 230lbs that had a more fatal dose of fentanyl in his system.

He more than likely swallowed it down so it wouldn’t be found on him bc he knew he’d be goin away for a looooong time considering his wrap sheet!!