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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:00 pm to Geekboy
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:00 pm to Geekboy
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guess you’re ignoring that.
Don't ignore the gf admitting that the 2 people in Floyds car were their drug dealers or the fact that the white foam and saying his body hurt and stomach hurt were the same exact symptoms he had when he OD less than 2 months before he died. One of their star witnesses is now refusing to testify. Those are just a couple of facts that came out.
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:01 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Because hangings almost uniformly don’t have any evidence of injury outside of a ligature mark around the neck, which is commonly absent when using a soft ligature.
Other than the snapped neck, sometimes broken jaw/along with every other inner tissue, tongue hanging out of their mouth, and sometimes eyes bulged out of the skull???
Sure..... no signs of a hanging.
Unless you’re talking about the nice peaceful hangings where their bodies don’t involuntarily go into spasms, convulsions, and thrash violently until they’re dead.
You’ve obviously never seen the results of a hanging either by suicide or execution.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:01 pm to AUstar
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One thing people aren't mentioning is the fact that the black dude in the background who kept yelling "Get off him bro" caused this. Chauvin kept his knee on his neck just to frick with that guy (I really believe this). The guy kept talking mad shite to Chauvin and you can tell Chauvin was being defiant.
I subscribe to this theory as well, although it only led to the optics that Chauvin was causing death and not the reality that overdose was taking place.
I’ve worked with cops like Chauvin that will bite their nose to spite their face when being confronted or criticized by a citizen in the performance of their duties. It’s frustrating to say the least, but humans will be human.
Chauvin should have been a professional. He wasn’t, remained on the neck out of spite, and allowed racial opportunist to exploit the encounter.
Although he may be acquitted, this incident and the aftermath consequences is a major loss for him. We are better than this.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:02 pm to Geekboy
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You think it's a far right agenda to believe in innocent until proven guilty and to understand the facts of this case. That's a you problem.
You just gave 3 paragraphs that still tap danced around this posters question.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:02 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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He should have thought longer about that before deciding his last meal would be a lethal dose of fentanyl.
Where in the report do you find “lethal dose of fentanyl”
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:03 pm to AMS
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Where in the report do you find “lethal dose of fentanyl”
How many times have we been through this question with you. I pray someone bans you from this board til this shite is over cause you have singlehandedly derailed any chance of having a normal discussion about this case.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:04 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Abraham H Parnassis
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checkmate.
I'm going to cite a passage from Forensic Pathology: Principles and Practice. Please feel free to bring your own sources to the discussion.
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Asphyxial deaths are commonly divided into different categories based on the nature of the cause for inadequate respiration. Asphyxial deaths include suffocation, smothering, choking, positional asphyxia, mechanical asphyxia, traumatic asphyxia, hanging, strangulation, and “chemical” asphyxia. Asphyxial deaths span the spectrum from the obvious to the inconspicuous. The autopsy findings of asphyxia are in general non-specific, but may include such findings as petechiae and cyanosis. These findings may be subtle or not identified at all.
In fact, the information needed for the diagnosis of asphyxia and, hence, the cause of death, may lie entirely in the scene investigation and the circumstances of the death (see Chapter 2). In cases where the body is still at the scene of death, scene investigation should include visualization of the body and the immediate environmental factors producing the asphyxia prior to movement of the body. Photographs can be of great assistance in documenting the circumstances of asphyxial deaths.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Innocent until PROVEN guilty
Irrelevant to people like Geekboy.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:05 pm to GEAUXmedic
Just stop corresponding with his dumb arse. His job is to deny and derail the conversation. Let him talk to his boy geek all day.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:06 pm to AMS
How many jurors needed to convict?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:06 pm to diat150
All 12
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:07 pm to AMS
Your responses for someone who is supposedly a neutral medical professional are....telling.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:09 pm to AMS
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AMS
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:09 pm to biohzrd
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Other than the snapped neck, sometimes broken jaw/along with every other inner tissue, tongue hanging out of their mouth, and sometimes eyes bulged out of the skull???
Sure..... no signs of a hanging.
Unless you’re talking about the nice peaceful hangings where their bodies don’t involuntarily go into spasms, convulsions, and thrash violently until they’re dead.
You’ve obviously never seen the results of a hanging either by suicide or execution.
Judicial hangings involve a drop. Suicidal hangings almost never involved a drop. Neither present with broken jaws or bulging eyes.
You've seen way too many movies.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:10 pm to SOSFAN
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Even when Chauvin is found not guilty he will never be able to work as a policeman again. Though after the money he will get in his lawsuit he won't have to work.
That's sad too. Maybe he could go to another city and work as a cop but I bet he loved his city and his job and was great at his job. I hope he figures out a way to come out on top in all this. I'm sure he could get a book deal. That was so touching how the body cam footage showed him holding Floyds hand the entire time while on the ground. Possibly as a control tactic if he tried to get back up but also probably to comfort the deeply troubled man.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:10 pm to Yellerhammer5
quote:You are using the general term of asphyxia as your reference.
Asphyxial deaths are commonly divided into different categories based on the nature of the cause for inadequate respiration. Asphyxial deaths include suffocation, smothering, choking, positional asphyxia, mechanical asphyxia, traumatic asphyxia, hanging, strangulation, and “chemical” asphyxia.
Your own post references the multitude of different presentations/causes of asphyxia, one of which is strangulation.
Strangulation, generally traumatic, tends to show signs of injury, like bruising, fractures, ligamentous injuries, etc.
There are methods of asphyxiation that will generally result in lack of external injury: compression of trachea and carotid blood flow.
That isn’t to say every incident will, but asphyxiation is a general term for “deprivation of oxygen”.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:10 pm to Centinel
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Your responses for someone who is supposedly a neutral medical professional are....telling.
No it’s something parnassis and I had been discussing. He believes it is impossible that asphyxiation happened because that term isn’t explicitly used in the report. I point out that there is no explicit use of “overdose” either, yet he still believes it to be true.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:12 pm to Scruffy
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ou are using the general term of asphyxia as your reference.
Your own post references the multitude of different presentations/causes of asphyxia, one of which is strangulation.
Strangulation, generally traumatic, tends to show signs of injury, like bruising, fractures, ligamentous injuries, etc.
That isn’t to say every incident will, but asphyxiation is a general term for “deprivation of oxygen”.
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Strangulation, generally traumatic, tends to show signs of injury, like bruising, fractures, ligamentous injuries, etc.
Tends to, yes. Always? No.
Their argument is that there was no asphyxia because there were no injuries within the neck.
Also, George Floyd wasn't even strangled. I cited strangulation because it is the most likely to produce injuries and yet does not always occur.
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ou are using the general term of asphyxia as your reference.
From the same textbook:
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On occasion, one maybe strangled without any external or internal evidence of injury. This may occur if someone was obtunded, intoxicated, or otherwise unconscious and unable to put up much resistance, enabling the assailant to use a reduced amount of force.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:14 pm to Yellerhammer5
quote:That is an incorrect stance then.
Their argument is that there was no asphyxia because there were no injuries within the neck.
There is a multitude of techniques which may cause asphyxiation without external or internal signs.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 6:16 pm
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