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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:19 pm to Yellerhammer5
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:19 pm to Yellerhammer5
Here we go, moving to Chauvin's record.
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:20 pm to GEAUXmedic
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Here we go, moving to Chauvin's record.
Chauvin's previous record is up for discovery but Floyd's isn't? I suppose that's because Derek Chauvin is the one on trial?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:22 pm to jlovel7
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Chauvin's previous record is up for discovery but Floyd's isn't? I suppose that's because Derek Chauvin is the one on trial?
I mentioned this earlier and still haven't come to any conclusions as to why the judge is allowing the double standard here.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:22 pm to jlovel7
Ima go on record and say this will end up in a mistrial or a hung jury. I can’t see a unanimous decision on any of the charges.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:23 pm to AMS
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no cop out hoss, just facts. there's a few potential findings like petechiae, lividity, visceral congestions etc. the findings you are asking about are frequently absent in asphyxiations. They are considered nonspecific and are not required to make the determination as they are frequently absent.
So what you are saying is that there was no objective evidence of asphyxiation. Just an opinion.
Correct?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:23 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Ima go on record and say this will end up in a mistrial or a hung jury. I can’t see a unanimous decision on any of the charges.
What happens in that case?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:24 pm to tgrbaitn08
So the rioting won’t be as bad but it’ll still be bad?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:24 pm to jlovel7
quote:Allen charge maybe?
What happens in that case?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:27 pm to AMS
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thats the top part stating cardiopulmonary arrest complicating subdual and restraint. As in he was subdued and restrained to the point of death. he was asphyxiated to death. take your pick on wording, it all means the same thing.
there is no mention of nor exam findings supporting an MI, OD, stroke, combustion etc. The report describes the history and exam findings consistent with asphyxiation and not the others for a reason.
I haven't been paying much attention to the medical talk on this thread but it seems like you keep saying the same thing over and over and just keep changing up the wording. You have no idea how much actual weight Chauvin had on his neck, but it appears to me to be not much. If you notice when Chauvin dips his knee down and Floyd screams, Chauvin lifts his knee right back up. Floyd had been acting like that the whole time anyway. If Chauvin suffocated him which I think you're trying to say, he would have left his knee down as far as he could and stead of bringing it right back up. The truth is in that position at 140 lbs and on his knees, I don't think Chauvin could have suffocated him if he was trying unless Floyd had a lot of other problems. But it woulda took a hell of a lot longer than that to kill him.
I'm not trying to be rude but you seem either annoying as frick or stupid as frick or both.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:28 pm to carguymatt
quote:Wait, Chauvin is only 140 pounds?
The truth is in that position at 140 lbs and on his knees,
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:29 pm to carguymatt
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carguymatt
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:30 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Wait, Chauvin is only 140 pounds?
Dude is still bigger than Mingo
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:30 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Right. But how?
how - positional and restrictive asphyxiation during the course of subdual and restraint.
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In other words, if you excluded that phrase from the report, what else is in the report to back up that claim?
im not sure why you would exclude the part that states the cause/manner of death when discussing the cause/manner of death. But that is supported by the history of events and exam findings which I have brought up plenty of times.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:32 pm to AMS
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he was asphyxiated to death.
Didn't realize you were a coroner. Please tell us more about your coroner experiences and asphyxiation.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:32 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Just an opinion.
Cause and manner of death are always an opinion. Opinions differ. Some are pretty much irrefutable (like the politician who shot himself on live TV), all the way down to the skeletal remains of a little 100 year old man found in his home who gets signed out as atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease.
What kills one person is an incidental finding in another. All a medical examiner can do is give their best guess based on their observations as well as their years of training and experience.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:34 pm to idlewatcher
This is the best witness the prosecution has had.
Unless I'm missing something, he's saying Chauvin should have rolled him onto his side at some point during the restraint.
Unless I'm missing something, he's saying Chauvin should have rolled him onto his side at some point during the restraint.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:34 pm to IAmNERD
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I mentioned this earlier and still haven't come to any conclusions as to why the judge is allowing the double standard here.
It's because one is the alleged offender and the other is the victim. The offender's past can be used at times as demonstrative evidence as to propensity to commit the alleged offense especially if there is an intent element. His good past swings the other way. Not necessarily true of the victim though as their past is not as relevant. Like a burgalar who climbs in through and unlocked window. How is my propensity to leave my window open relevant to the guilt of the person who climbed through without permission and stole something? Am I a dumbass for leaving my window open sure, but it doesn't give you a get out of jail card.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:35 pm to AMS
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there is no mention of nor exam findings supporting an MI, OD, stroke, combustion etc. The report describes the history and exam findings consistent with asphyxiation and not the others for a reason.
As I recall, the very first medical exam showed OD cardiac arrest...
Then Benjamin Crump flew into town and flexed his black power attorney privilege...suddenly...the conclusions changed to fit the knee as cause of death.
After seeing footage of Floyd in the back seat in full melt, I can make a reasonable conclusion about his cause of death along with everything else we know about Floyd
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:44 pm to STLhog
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he's saying Chauvin should have rolled him onto his side at some point during the restraint.
Maybe Floyd should have complied
Maybe Floyd shouldn’t have resisted
Many Floyd Floyd shouldn’t have swallowed a bag of drugs
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:46 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Maybe Floyd should have complied
Maybe Floyd shouldn’t have resisted
Many Floyd Floyd shouldn’t have swallowed a bag of drugs
Relax.
I'm typing what the witness is saying and the direction the prosecution is taking this.
He also just said his knee should have been removed when the suspect was no longer resisting.
Jury will have to decide based on the video etc.
Only saying this is the most interesting and credible witness for the prosecution so far.
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