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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:46 pm to carguymatt
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:46 pm to carguymatt
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You have no idea how much actual weight Chauvin had on his neck, but it appears to me to be not much
enough to leave enough physical findings that led medical examiners to decide the death was a homicide, due to the restrain used.
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The truth is in that position at 140 lbs and on his knees, I don't think Chauvin could have suffocated him if he was trying unless Floyd had a lot of other problems
the truth is the position and manor of force application to restrain GF used is well known to be able to cause asphyxiation.
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:46 pm to ApexTiger
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As I recall, the very first medical exam showed OD cardiac arrest...
I believe the first statement about the cause of death was from law enforcement and was not actually released by the medical examiner department. This was prior to NMS even completing the tox results, so I’d say it’s pretty unlikely that your recollection is correct.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:48 pm to Yellerhammer5
I've not been able to follow today.
Have any of the medics/police , in testifying...can anyone gather which way the emt/police officers are leaning with their answers, backing Chauvin or you really can't tell, they are just answering and the answers haven't lead to tell, or are they in the middle?
Have any of the medics/police , in testifying...can anyone gather which way the emt/police officers are leaning with their answers, backing Chauvin or you really can't tell, they are just answering and the answers haven't lead to tell, or are they in the middle?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:48 pm to AMS
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he truth is the position and manor of force application to restrain GF used is well known to be able to cause asphyxiation.
The Sergeant just confirmed this.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:49 pm to STLhog
Then it shouldn't have been in the protocols. That's a PD problem, not Chauvin's.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:49 pm to LaBR4
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you really can't tell, they are just answering and the answers haven't lead to tell, or are they in the middle?
They mostly seemed pissed off. I’d say they were pretty neutral overall, maybe slightly favoring the defense.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:50 pm to ApexTiger
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Then Benjamin Crump flew into town and flexed his black power attorney privilege...suddenly...the conclusions changed to fit the knee as cause of death.
They actually got their "own" ME to re-do the autopsy with obviously conflicting results from the original ME's.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:51 pm to ApexTiger
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As I recall, the very first medical exam showed OD cardiac arrest...
that just means his heart stopped. which happens when you asphyxiate, or die in any way really.
You also left out the part that referred to being a complication of the subdual and restraint. not a complication of drug use, or heart attack. it was a complication of the restraint used.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:51 pm to LaBR4
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can anyone gather which way the emt/police officers are leaning with their answers, backing Chauvin or you really can't tell, they are just answering and the answers haven't lead to tell, or are they in the middle?
I've been working/watching and may have missed something:
Their questioning was a joke towards all of them honestly.
Neither of the EMTs really even had anything to divulge but the prosecution did a terrible job coaxing them into any real opinionated response regarding Chauvin.
They followed their protocol and neither seemed to make a real judgment other than saying things like he was non responsive and then "Dead" when she asked what flat line meant.
Was pretty uneventful.
The Sergeant right now is getting way more in detail on the level of restraint.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:51 pm to Yellerhammer5
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They mostly seemed pissed off. I’d say they were pretty neutral overall, maybe slightly favoring the defense.
ok thanks, sounds about right
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:51 pm to GEAUXmedic
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Then it shouldn't have been in the protocols. That's a PD problem, not Chauvin's.
thats the sound of your goalposts moving.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:52 pm to STLhog
I’m sorry. I’m apologizes.
I thought we were playing the woulda coulda shoulda game.
I thought we were playing the woulda coulda shoulda game.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:53 pm to GEAUXmedic
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Then it shouldn't have been in the protocols. That's a PD problem, not Chauvin's.
They just read part of the protocol that said after restraint a subject should be moved onto their side.
In the bodycam video, one of the officers asks that and Chauvin chooses not to do that.
Relax on your response, I'm just asking a question.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:54 pm to STLhog
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saying things like he was non responsive an
but I thought he was screaming at the top of his lungs because he could breath the duration of the encounter.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:55 pm to AMS
I think everyone is clear on how it progressed if they watched the full bodycam footage.
This witness is pretty big.
Going to be interesting to see how the defense responds with his statement that his knee should have been removed once restrained and cuffed.
This witness is pretty big.
Going to be interesting to see how the defense responds with his statement that his knee should have been removed once restrained and cuffed.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:55 pm to AMS
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but I thought he was screaming at the top of his lungs because he could breath the duration of the encounter.
He was
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:56 pm to tgrbaitn08
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He was
then explain the being unresponsive part
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:56 pm to AMS
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then explain the being unresponsive part
So youre saying he didnt call out for "momma"?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:57 pm to tgrbaitn08
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He was
He def. stopped at the end but yes, for the vast majority of it he was absolutely out of control.
There at the end, Chauvin probably could/should have relented the position or pressure.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:57 pm to AMS
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