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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:08 am to
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:08 am to
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I think they drove her around for 5-10 minutes and then got rid of her.


left Reggies at 2:20 and raped her a minute from the bar, couldn't have been more than 15 min I'm guessing. Then about 5-6 minute drive to where she was hit and killed tops would put her being dropped off around 2:40-2:45...yeh it doesn't seem like they tried to find where she wanted to go.

I wonder where her car was, if left at her friends, b/c that would be where I wanted to go. If not in Pelican Lakes the whole thing could be made up by the guys.
Posted by tritiger
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:09 am to
I used to own a number of on premise and off premise establishments in Baton Rouge and New Orleans that all held state liquor licenses. Dram shop liability was always the biggest part of my commercial insurance, and it was the part of my commercial liability that kept me awake at night.

Dram shop laws in Louisiana don’t stop people from suing you, and there’s a reason why it is such a large part of the insurance. My insurance advisor told me that if you ever were sued under a dram shop law that you want to settle, do not go to court. Let the insurance pay the big lump sum and move on. Now, whether or not Reggie’s will be able to keep their liquor license after this is another matter entirely. I suspect they are done, ala Murphy’s.
Posted by 9rocket
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:12 am to
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think they drove her around for 5-10 minutes and then got rid of her.


Yes. Someone questioned this earlier, asking were the three locations on the same street?
Also, someone else said the subdivision is undergoing construction, with only a few houses completed up near the front, with the houses toward the rear of the subdivision still being built.
I think a drive by is in order, to get an accurate perspective.
Posted by 9rocket
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:20 am to
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would put her being dropped off around 2:40-2:45.


They spent more time abusing her than they spent trying to find her destination.
So if they dropped her off “in the subdivision “ like they claim, it didn’t leave her much time to get from there out to Burbank. She would really have to hustle.
I believe what Judge Holden (?) mentioned, that she was put out near the entrance to the subdivision or even on Burbank itself, as they discarded her and got out of there.
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:22 am to
They’re adding on to the neighborhood. There’s already streets full of houses in the subdivision. Near the entrance where she was killed, they’re building some more apartments but there’s already some there. Either way, as I and another person pointed out- it’s a pretty decent distance from the entrance of the subdivision to those apartments which are the first buildings when you enter there.
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:28 am to

Drive by also shows that was a long straightaway with decent lighting. The commercial carrier for the Uber driver would likely settle. With the post of the 'dram shop' policy also likely to pay that could be a significant amount for the family or for her foundation.
Noting, of course, can ever replace the loss of a child.

Their actions in the 3 locations and making a video of it:

1. The video should have metadata on it showing when and where it was made (but I'm no expert on that);

2. Their phones should have some GPS data to trace their route;

3. If they raped her then drove to this one neighborhood leaving her there it speaks to their overall disregard for her. They want to paint themselves as 'good guys that just got a bit sloppy drunk and college and high school age kids do dumb things...' Their actions post rape show otherwise.

Also, there's a 28 year old man in the car who should have never allowed the 'kids' to do this and the 'just kids' defense goes out with him there the entire time.

What Nak saw was likely a selectively edited 'defense best version' of the videos from that night. Maybe 5% of what they actually took. At trial, I could see the full videos absolutely sinking them.

First, if they did video the rape that's a crime (video voyeurism). Second, Madison's incapacity will be evidence. Third, their comments at the time show callous disregard for her condition and life.

The affidavit - already damning - is the defendants best spin on the event that night. Their "we were all drunk and had sloppy sex - oops she died but I'm a good guy" version of events.

The video will tell more of the story as well as the text messages they sent around the next morning when the story hit the news, after police called them, etc. 17 and 18 year olds are texting constantly. All that will come out - everything they said to each other.






Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:32 am to
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They spent more time abusing her than they spent trying to find her destination.


exactly. And she probably got hit by one of the first cars to pass on Burbank. If the sex was consensual you would think they would've tried to take better care for her...their actions IMO would be more consistent of rape just the way they dropped her off like she was trash.
Posted by 9rocket
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:36 am to
Thank you.
That makes it clearer for me.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:38 am
Posted by redstickrick
Laffy, La
Member since May 2019
474 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:41 am to
They won’t go to a jury. No defense lawyer will let this civil case go to a jury. They will take a bench trial to remove emotion and focus on the intervening criminal activity
Posted by redstickrick
Laffy, La
Member since May 2019
474 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:42 am to
Also the only damages before th crimes were just her being drunk and falling anything after the crimes will likely not be able to be held to Reggie’s.
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:47 am to
Before the Judge that's already said they were 'callous' and she was clearly intoxicated?


When you could get a jury in EBR?

Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:49 am to
Reggie's served the perps as well.

I could see Reggie's closing after all this as Murphy's did in the 80s.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9489 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:49 am to
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And even if she desired sex with one or more of them, why in so public a place?

I think the prosecution can use this.

Are we sure about the location of the sex in the car?


Thats assuming the driver specifically stopped so his friends and her could have sex. He could've stopped to figure out where they were going and thats when things started in the backseat.
Posted by redstickrick
Laffy, La
Member since May 2019
474 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:49 am to
Stuff the criminal judge said won’t be admissible. Reggie’s will get a bench trial in civil court. Tell the judge to look at the rape that clearly happened and say that it broke the chain of causation that led to her death. At most be liable for over serving but not her death.
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:52 am to
I thought you were talking about the criminal trial.

Civil trial. Family makes it clear all money is going to the foundation, that change anything? I think both the driver's insurance and Reggie's (at least that's what the bar owner who posted earlier said) will settle before any trial.



Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:53 am to
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Family makes it clear all money is going to the foundation, that change anything?


I don’t think a judge would let a jury hear that. But if defense counsel opened the door by calling them greedy, which would be very dumb, maybe.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:54 am to
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driver's insurance


If they are minimal limits, maybe they tender them early. It would make sense from the insurer’s standpoint.

ETA: The minimum limits in Louisiana are, I think, $15,000. If the driver is sued, the insurer has a duty to defend, which in this case would cost a lot more than 15K. So the insurer will just send a check for the limits to the claimant and end the duty to defend.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:58 am
Posted by inspectweld
Member since Feb 2021
665 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:00 am to
According to the Google map at 962 Jennifer Jean Dr., filmed April 2022, the driveway where the dummy`s say they raped her appears to be a vacant duplex. The windows are boarded up on the inside. There aren’t any visible cameras on that duplex but the one next door does and the convenience store does. So maybe by now there is footage giving a time line and of the idiots raping her and getting in and out of the vehicle like they said when they convicted themselves.

LINK
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:04 am to
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According to the Google map at 962 Jennifer Jean Dr., filmed April 2022, the driveway where the dummy`s say they raped her appears to be a vacant duplex. The windows are boarded up on the inside. There aren’t any visible cameras on that duplex but the one next door does and the convenience store does. So maybe by now there is footage giving a time line and of the idiots raping her and getting in and out of the vehicle like they said when they convicted themselves.


Good info.

I am thinking that address was just a placeholder as the detective was not sure where it happened.

Personally, I think it more likely they drive down to Archer, which is a very short street that looks pretty secluded.
Posted by inspectweld
Member since Feb 2021
665 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:07 am to
I would say the detective should have taken the idiots for a ride to personally show them exactly where, but who knows?
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 9:09 am
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