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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:38 pm to berrycajun
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:38 pm to berrycajun
Nothing public that I’ve seen.
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:41 pm to WestSideTiger
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The Uber/phone situation is the mystery I want solved the most. It just doesn’t add up.
Same. It nullifies Casen's statement about her wanting to call an uber.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:43 pm to WestSideTiger
Has anyone compiled a timeline of events even if only provisional at this point?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:43 pm to JudgeHolden
Yes, if she seems tipsy but not 'stupor'-level drunk it'd hurt the prosecution's case.
But O.J. That trial was over when the jury was picked.
If Madison's case stays in EBR, 3 black men and 3 black women on a jury = no way they'd be convicted.
Black women on ALL social media: "She ran after them. She wanted it. Ain't no rape." etc.
Moore can't ask for change of venue because of the politics but that's a big hurdle here. The 'stick it to whitey' factor and that's why O.J. won in jury selection.
But O.J. That trial was over when the jury was picked.
If Madison's case stays in EBR, 3 black men and 3 black women on a jury = no way they'd be convicted.
Black women on ALL social media: "She ran after them. She wanted it. Ain't no rape." etc.
Moore can't ask for change of venue because of the politics but that's a big hurdle here. The 'stick it to whitey' factor and that's why O.J. won in jury selection.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:44 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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It’s possible. If she didn’t have her phone the “I’ll catch an Uber” story is likely bullshite
Or she was ridiculously drunk and couldn't remember/didn't know she left the phone.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:45 pm to Beef Tips
The perps didn't want her to use their phones. They didn't know they were on video or would be identified. Of course, they had no clue she'd die but they (Casen especially) knew what they'd done earlier was wrong based on the affidavit.
Remember also: everything in that affidavit were the accused speaking freely trying to paint themselves in a favorable light. No lawyer there and no inkling they'd be charged - until with Washington they asked for the DNA sample.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:46 pm to JudgeHolden
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. If she seems cogent then, that hurts the prosecution.
Understood but how do you reconcile her being "cogent" but incapable of knowing an address and minutes later wandering into an oncoming vehicle?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
But they didn't help her get an Uber or see she was in in an Uber safely or bring her to a well-lit place.
How did her wanting to "Uber" make sense?
THEY WERE DRIVING HER. Free. They road around for 30-40 minutes with her.
They were willing to taxi her to where she wanted to go. But she had no clue where she lived or where to go because she was .319 drunk.
It'd take hours for her to sober up (about 20 hours) so they just got rid of her.
How did her wanting to "Uber" make sense?
THEY WERE DRIVING HER. Free. They road around for 30-40 minutes with her.
They were willing to taxi her to where she wanted to go. But she had no clue where she lived or where to go because she was .319 drunk.
It'd take hours for her to sober up (about 20 hours) so they just got rid of her.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:51 pm to AlwysATgr
The defense will be that she was drunk. The guys were all a little drunk. They had just left a bar.
But she wasn't in a "stupor" - super crazy drunk and there's no legal definition of what stupor as far as what scientific % of BAC = a stupor? It's an argument for experts.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:53 pm to Beef Tips
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Same. It nullifies Casen's statement about her wanting to call an uber.
Not just that. It’s possible they didn’t know her phone situation or even if they did they could have thought maybe she’d call an Uber from her friend’s house. I’d like to know if she had a phone, did she order an Uber or was she just randomly trying to flag down a car and got hit by what just so happened to be a ride share? The guy said she’d order an Uber so obviously she hadn’t done it yet. And they didn’t order for her. And it seems she was hit pretty soon after they dropped her off. I want to know those details and especially what the dude’s knew.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:57 pm to HodsonTiger13
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But O.J. That trial was over when the jury was picked.
The OJ trial was over when Gil Garcetti decided to showboat it.
Prosecutors were awful. It will not happen here.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:57 pm to WestSideTiger
She was randomly flagging down a car and it was the guy out doing rideshares.
Burbank has a high speed limit. Is not well lit. She was struck by accident. The driver was cleared of wrongdoing as Madison was in the middle of the road trying to flag down a car for help.
She didn't summon the driver there from the published stories.
From comments here, she had left her phone at Reggie's.
I suppose she could have knocked on random doors in the neighborhood and asked them to call 911 for her? She didn't have a lot of options and with her BAC she could not see or process information well.
She was also at risk of further assault - 3 a.m. girl alone seriously drunk.
Burbank has a high speed limit. Is not well lit. She was struck by accident. The driver was cleared of wrongdoing as Madison was in the middle of the road trying to flag down a car for help.
She didn't summon the driver there from the published stories.
From comments here, she had left her phone at Reggie's.
I suppose she could have knocked on random doors in the neighborhood and asked them to call 911 for her? She didn't have a lot of options and with her BAC she could not see or process information well.
She was also at risk of further assault - 3 a.m. girl alone seriously drunk.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:00 am to berrycajun
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Uber driver was definitely cleared. Just wondering if there’s an interview in an article of him or her describing what happened
Cleared by who? With all traffic related fatalities caused by a vehicle, mandatory toxicology tests are administered in most states.
I’m not saying the Uber driver was responsible, but did they in fact perform a blood draw which is usually performed by the LSP?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:02 am to JudgeHolden
Manslaughter:
That's the Louisiana 'felony murder' part of manslaughter.
So was this death part of a 'continuous sequence of events'?
Was it foreseeable for a 4x the legal limit drunk girl let out at 3 a.m., further disoriented from having just been raped by two men, in the dark next to a roadway would get run over?
I say, "YES."
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(3) When the offender commits or attempts to commit any crime of violence as defined by R.S. 14:2(B), which is part of a continuous sequence of events resulting in the death of a human being where it was foreseeable that the offender's conduct during the commission of the crime could result in death or great bodily harm to a human being, even if the offender has no intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm. For purposes of this Paragraph, it shall be immaterial whether or not the person who performed the direct act resulting in the death was acting in concert with the offender.
That's the Louisiana 'felony murder' part of manslaughter.
So was this death part of a 'continuous sequence of events'?
Was it foreseeable for a 4x the legal limit drunk girl let out at 3 a.m., further disoriented from having just been raped by two men, in the dark next to a roadway would get run over?
I say, "YES."
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:04 am to HodsonTiger13
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She was randomly flagging down a car and it was the guy out doing rideshares.
This is what I was curious about. Not trying to blame the rideshare guy at all. He stopped. They cleared him. Good enough for me.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:04 am to Breauxsif
Local media said cleared by police after an investigation. I assume they did the tox screenings etc.
Madison was in the roadway flagging down random cars for help. The Uber driver and one other person stopped to render first aid and CPR.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:18 am to JudgeHolden
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True. But I know a whole lot more about experts at trial than the average bear.
This is just continuing your shift to subject opinion.
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It’s all amateur opinion, baw. I’m not billing for this.
Yea. Even taking you at your word you don’t practice criminal law.
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but where does Louisiana law for third degree rape require victim to be incapable of jogging and walking?
It doesn’t.
Then it means very little to nothing until a hole lot of holes are poked into the science as you stated. Its almost like you have never seen a drunk friend running around and through people and other crazy crap like back flips with a success mixed into ones not nearly as successful and then be passed out 5 or 10 minutes later. I have seen a lot of drunk males and females with a last minute burst of activity more complicated than a brief jog and walk before shutting down. Many were goaded into doing something stupid if not potentially dangerous by someone knowing full well they were drunk drunk.
Madison allegedly walked from wherever she was dumped to middle of Burbank before being hit, so why would being briefly seen walking while leaving bar be a surprise (even before followed by a stumble and then another stumble and supported by one of the accused).
Attacking accuracy of test would require medical experts going over tests including the postmortem testing (which weren’t needed for arrest warrant with test from hospital/er), and if available retesting any stored samples. That could happen regardless of any video and should at least be looked into by any competent defense attorney. Poking real holes in science requires additional science just like it did before video released.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:23 am to ell_13
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Some people don’t know what that means. It’s all the incriminating stuff but not necessarily all the relevant or contextual stuff.
BS on being all the incriminating stuff.
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:29 am to HodsonTiger13
The video of her running is a perfect example of how the defense will poke a thousand holes in the prosecutors case.
Their lawyer will argue that she wasn’t that drunk, the boys were drunk too, they’re not toxicology experts, how many drinks for her were too many, was this 17 year old supposed to count those drinks? Etc etc etc. get a few witnesses who bring her character into question and a jury that matches BR demographics, I’d say they’ve got bad odds at trial.
Their lawyer will argue that she wasn’t that drunk, the boys were drunk too, they’re not toxicology experts, how many drinks for her were too many, was this 17 year old supposed to count those drinks? Etc etc etc. get a few witnesses who bring her character into question and a jury that matches BR demographics, I’d say they’ve got bad odds at trial.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:43 am to Beef Tips
I just stumbled on this video and dont think it has been shared yet.
Its Nakamoto being interviewed about the case. Nak said he has seen all of the videos, including those from inside the car... worth a listen.
Spoiler- Don't seem like Nak is convinced its a slam dunk rape case.
Start at about 1 min mark:
Youtube Link
-one quote jumped out at me- "she was seen on video drinking other peoples drinks off of random tables" wtf.
-according to Nak, she allegedly was asking Casen (driver) for sex too and called him gay when he refused. Unclear if this is on video or part of his statement to police (and that detail didn't make it on the affidavit)
-allegedly used someone else's LA Wallet ID to enter showing she was 21
-if what is mentioned in this interview are indeed true, I see no way this goes to trial. Her parents would be absolutely tormented.
Its Nakamoto being interviewed about the case. Nak said he has seen all of the videos, including those from inside the car... worth a listen.
Spoiler- Don't seem like Nak is convinced its a slam dunk rape case.
Start at about 1 min mark:
Youtube Link
-one quote jumped out at me- "she was seen on video drinking other peoples drinks off of random tables" wtf.
-according to Nak, she allegedly was asking Casen (driver) for sex too and called him gay when he refused. Unclear if this is on video or part of his statement to police (and that detail didn't make it on the affidavit)
-allegedly used someone else's LA Wallet ID to enter showing she was 21
-if what is mentioned in this interview are indeed true, I see no way this goes to trial. Her parents would be absolutely tormented.
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