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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:06 pm to
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:06 pm to
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asked that early on and some legal eagle type said there had to be a 'nexus' from what they did and her death. Too distant in time and place.


That used to be a hypo on Cheney Joseph’s final.

I think that you could argue under 14:9 that death is a proscribed criminal consequence that could foreseeable result from leaving her on the side of Burbank while drunk.

But if she demanded to get out, what were they supposed to do?

I’m wondering if you could string this together into felony murder.
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:07 pm to

According to the owner of a neighboring bar I believe it was on this thread Madison had no phone. She had left it back at Reggie's.


Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:08 pm to
Someone looked back at the weather. It was about 34° but not raining at the time. It had rained the day before.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 11:08 pm
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:09 pm to
But if they kept her on a ventilator a day she could have detoxed and the organs may show little or no alcohol by then.

Perhaps a medical expert here can weigh in on that.

Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:09 pm to
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According to the owner of a neighboring bar I believe it was on this thread Madison had no phone. She had left it back at Reggie's.


Yea so she lost her phone in the bar. This girl was out of her mind. She ran after them because she was desperate for a ride home not sex.

frick this is terrible. I hope they all rot in prison the rest of their lives.
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:10 pm to
They said just alcohol and trace THC
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:11 pm to
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Someone looked back at the weather. It was about 34° but not raining at the time. It had rained the day before.


I thought one of the news reports mention 2 good samaritans doing CPR in the rain. Maybe I misread it.
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:11 pm to
I thought it was starting to drizzle around the time she was run over
Posted by Beef Tips
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:12 pm to
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According to the owner of a neighboring bar I believe it was on this thread Madison had no phone. She had left it back at Reggie's.


Wasnt a tigerland bar he owned (different restaurant/bar in BR) but he did claim he knew she certainly left her phone in Reggies.

Posters name was BrianFlanagan and he made the post last night.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 11:14 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:13 pm to
It may have started to drizzle after she was hit. I’m only going off what was posted here so grain of salt.
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:13 pm to

I posted that waaaay back to charge manslaughter. Felony murder. The death was related to the rape. They couldn't call 911, bring her to a hospital, or bring her really to any place with cameras or police - about everywhere safe at 3 a.m.

So they dumped her on the side of the road to further their effort to cover up the rape.

I also mentioned video voyeurism because I believe they took - then deleted not realizing that won't work - video of the rape.

Kidnapping. They got her in the car promising to bring her home but then took her two miles away as she's barely concsous and raped her. Is that kidnapping by an 'entice' of the victim?

Posted by FatBaldandGray
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:14 pm to
There had to be blood pulled oh the front end. You can't know what you're dealing with without labs. Think of a person coming into the ER unconscious. They need to know how to treat it. Was she in a diabetic emergency, on opiates and in need of naloxone, or drunk?
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:15 pm to
Someone 'outed him' briefly and what bar he owned but I won't mention it.

But Madison not having a phone created even more danger for her to be left alone in the dark and rain that drunk.

Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:15 pm to
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Yea so she lost her phone in the bar.


Bad fact for defense if true.

I wonder if she posted/tweeted/gramed anything that night.

They should have her texts by now. That could be interesting. The defense will ask for them. It’ll be one thing if she is shite texting exes with incomplete sentences made up of misspelled words. It will be another if her texts are clear and to the point. That’s going to be very relevant to her state of mind.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:15 pm to
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The difference is her jogging/walking when she is supposed to be incapacitated. We did not have that them. It does not fit. That’s a new fact. It complicates the prosecution.



Didn’t you mention that you don’t focus on the criminal side of the law (Can’t remember what state you are in)?

You have recently crossed over into offering what is no more than a layman’s opinion and speculations wrapped up in your username.

Just as easy to see stumbling & steadied and then stumbling again while being held side saddle and foot dragging to say it complicates the defense by bringing in inability to physically resist 4 males in a car stopped on a street on top of her mental inability to understand situation and consent.

Attempting to get back to where you originally brought in some better info where does Louisiana law state that for 3rd degree rape victim has to be incapable of jogging briefly, walking, or really anything thing physical outside of resisting (which video brings into equation towards the end along with medical evidence of anal assault and only word of 4 accused males to date of what took place in car). The dictionary definition may include “physical or mental inability“ but where does Louisiana law for third degree rape require victim to be incapable of jogging and walking?

quote:

Third degree rape
A. Third degree rape is a rape committed when the anal, oral, or vaginal sexual intercourse is deemed to be without the lawful consent of a victim because it is committed under any one or more of the following circumstances:
(1) When the victim is incapable of resisting or of understanding the nature of the act by reason of a stupor or abnormal condition of mind produced by an intoxicating agent or any cause and the offender knew or should have known of the victim's incapacity.
(2) When the victim, through unsoundness of mind, is temporarily or permanently incapable of understanding the nature of the act and the offender knew or should have known of the victim's incapacity.
(3) When the victim submits under the belief that the person committing the act is someone known to the victim, other than the offender, and such belief is intentionally induced by any artifice, pretense, or concealment practiced by the offender.
(4) When the offender acts without the consent of the victim.
Posted by Beef Tips
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:16 pm to
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Kidnapping. They got her in the car promising to bring her home but then took her two miles away as she's barely concsous and raped her. Is that kidnapping by an 'entice' of the victim?


I get your point, but they actually raped her within line of sight from tigerland on jennifer jean. Would have taken less than 2 min to get from the bar to where she was raped.

Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:16 pm to
Yes, again the affidavit on Page 1 of this thread says as soon as she got to the hospital they pulled blood.

We are talking when that BAC is attacked what's to back it up? Blood re-testing? Independent lab? Was there other testing done later?

Someone said the organs would be tested but those were removed a day or two later. Kiran discussed that in one of her reports.
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:17 pm to
Good point

Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:17 pm to
It’s possible. If she didn’t have her phone the “I’ll catch an Uber” story is likely bullshite and exactly what you would expect them to say as cover.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:18 pm to
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I’m assuming there’s footage of the pelican lakes entry point so footage of them leaving her there and of her walking to Burbank.


Joe Long said video showed her exiting the car “perfectly healthy.”
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