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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:12 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:12 pm to
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Bull fricking shite


Any violent crime as a white person is much more likely to be done at the hand of another white person

Rape, murder, you name it
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:13 pm
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:12 pm to
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So Tate is blaming Reggie’s? What? How many underage kids get blitzed there weekly and don’t go through this? How about focusing on the crime running rampant all over Baton Rouge that nobody wants to look in the face and do anything about?

Blame the bar? Dude.

ETA: added the quote from him. His strongest stance in that article was underage drinking. That’s insane. It’s something basically every single college student does. That is not the problem here. There is a much bigger issue of criminals running around unchecked, and getting everyone riled up to take their pitchforks to Reggie’s and Fred’s is absurd.

Yeah, anyone slapping Tate on the back for a good job with his statement is foolish. Sounds like he is trying to deflect some blame, to whatever degree possible, from the dudes that took her in their car.

I would love to know how many people praising Tate ever drank in a bar before they were 21...
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12660 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:13 pm to
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§30.1. Second degree murder

A. Second degree murder is the killing of a human being:

I haven’t read all 20-something pages so maybe it’s been addressed, but it doesn’t seem like this would apply unless they killed her.

That being said..
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§31. Manslaughter

A. Manslaughter is:

(1) A homicide which would be murder under either Article 30 (first degree murder) or Article 30.1 (second degree murder), but the offense is committed in sudden passion or heat of blood immediately caused by provocation sufficient to deprive an average person of his self-control and cool reflection. Provocation shall not reduce a homicide to manslaughter if the jury finds that the offender's blood had actually cooled, or that an average person's blood would have cooled, at the time the offense was committed; or

(2) A homicide committed, without any intent to cause death or great bodily harm.
(a) When the offender is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of any felony not enumerated in Article 30 or 30.1, or of any intentional misdemeanor directly affecting the person; or
(b) When the offender is resisting lawful arrest by means, or in a manner, not inherently dangerous, and the circumstances are such that the killing would not be murder under Article 30 or 30.1.

(3) When the offender commits or attempts to commit any crime of violence as defined by R.S. 14:2(B), which is part of a continuous sequence of events resulting in the death of a human being where it was foreseeable that the offender's conduct during the commission of the crime could result in death or great bodily harm to a human being, even if the offender has no intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm. For purposes of this Paragraph, it shall be immaterial whether or not the person who performed the direct act resulting in the death was acting in concert with the offender.

ETA: R.S. 14:2(B) means basically any violent crime, including third degree rape.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:15 pm
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:14 pm to
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You are probably getting downvotes because you said she pulled up her pants. The arrest warrant said adjusted her pants which is very different.

When you pull up on your pants after standing up from the bar, that is adjusting them. In no way was I saying her pants were down. I’m clearly referring to pulling up at the waist to adjust them.

My reply was to someone who had painted an entirely different picture than reality.
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She was sitting outside the bar alone and these 4 dudes came and noticed she was seriously intoxicated. Coerced her in the car and took advantage of her. Once they were done, they kicked her out the vehicle.

I’m just saying that this is not what happened.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9603 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:15 pm to
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Ole deltaland is sitting at 67 downvotes to 0 upvotes for that post. Might want to consider falling on his own sword.

Dude admits to seeking out drunk girls at bars. What a pathetic loser.


I think deltaland kind of reversed course later based on victim’s blood alcohol levels.

I think it was closer to a ill-fated attempt to say just being drunk doesn’t automatically make one incapable of understanding and legally consenting to having sex before knowing facts on how drunk victim was or what law states on legal consent. When saying conscious it was meant more as being drunk but still legally capable to understand and freely consent to sex (and in many cases that’s the plan for both males and females going to bars), but instead conscious came across as written more as not being unconscious like as long as she isn’t passed out and can still say yes it’s all good.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:18 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53115 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:17 pm to
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Bull fricking shite

He's probably right. People tend to mostly hang out with others that look like them. I could see that being the case. Same with murders. They don't cross racial lines that often or at least in far fewer numbers.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:18 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108590 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:17 pm to
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Based on even carvers statement and the video, this girl was very flirty with these boys. Did she drunkenly consent? Probably. But they were also all drinking. If they drunkenly tried to get in her pants, only their actions get blamed. It doesn’t matter how flirty she was when sober or how much she instigated it (if at all). Had she not been hit by a car, does she even claim to be raped the next day? How many times has this exact situation happened but no one hears because the girl doesn’t see the problem because she knows she played a big part in it happening? I know these aren’t easy or comfortable questions and they sound like it’s victim blaming but we will never truly know how much of a victim she truly was because of how this night ended.
This is actually well said

But I think the fact they dropped her off on the side of the street makes it seem far more like real rape and less like drunken sex
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:18 pm
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40010 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:17 pm to
I bet he’s shitting in his pants about now.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
42194 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:18 pm to
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Bull fricking shite


Women are more likely to be sexually assaulted by a friend or someone they know. This is well known.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:55 pm
Posted by Swoozie
Member since Jan 2021
1281 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:19 pm to
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I got downvotes for repeating what is in the arrest warrant.

Not by me. I wasn’t being snarky when I asked for the link. I can’t open the file with the arrest warrant on my phone. You said article so I thought it would just open a new tab.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:20 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87205 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:19 pm to
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the fact the dropped her off in the middle of the street makes it seem far more like real rape and less like drunken sex
I think it has more to do with her not even being able to tell them where to bring her and them being shitty people. Like Chicken said, I would never have done something close to this as an 18 year old. Im certainly not saying these boys were good or right.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:19 pm to
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This is actually well said But I think the fact the dropped her off in the middle of the street makes it seem far more like real rape and less like drunken sex

The warrant says they drove around trying to figure out where she lived. It’s shitty how it ended and I’m sure they wish they had dropped her off at a store now but it says they tried to help her get home.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
26920 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:19 pm to
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Because the former is actionable which can result in real measures being taken
and the measures are just for show...this terrible incident could have still happened if all the parties involved were 21+ years of age.

Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36475 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:21 pm to
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How many times has this exact situation happened but no one hears because the girl doesn’t see the problem because she knows she played a big part in it happening?


How many times do 3 guys drive off with one girl and then dump her on the side of the road?


You don’t do that on a drunken hookup where you think you had consent.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:22 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 8:51 am
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:22 pm to
Oh I didn’t think you were being snarky. I just mentioned it bc it’s bizarre to get several downvotes just bc people don’t like the facts. There’s a link to the affidavit in this article.
LINK
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:23 pm
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65406 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:23 pm to
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The warrant says they drove around trying to figure out where she lived. It’s shitty how it ended and I’m sure they wish they had dropped her off at a store now but it says they tried to help her get home.


That’s what the driver told police.
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 8:52 am
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53115 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:24 pm to
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and the measures are just for show...this terrible incident could have still happened if all the parties involved were 21+ years of age.

I'm sure those shitheads didn't know how old she was. She could have easily been 22 and the outcome would have been the same. It's very sad either way and I pray for her family. Parents worst nightmare.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87205 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:24 pm to
I don’t think drunk 18 year olds know how to handle that situation either. She couldn’t even tell them exactly where she lived. They weren’t going to bring her back to LP. They could have brought her to a million places and her end up fine. Doesn’t make them right or absolve them of anything just that the night would have ended completely differently and this may have never made the news because we will never know how she actually felt about it.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87205 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:25 pm to
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I don't think she could have been functioning enough to "be flirty" at this point.
The warrant said she was touching one of guy’s privates while in the car.
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