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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:18 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:18 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:NO frickING shite. How many times do I have to say their own comments make it clear as day it was rape
Washington asked her 5 times if she wanted to have sex and then told police he didn’t have sex with her
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Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:21 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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If guy in back is Washington his reaction does kind of match his statement that as they started to walk to car he kind of laughed to himself about them bringing some random girl home which is when it appears he also admitted she didn’t have her balance and stumbled. Maybe that was her actual only stumble on way to car, but she was looking unsteady at that point in video.
That was the uncle, Lee, who said that.
Who said that? or who was in back towards end of video?
I paraphrased it, but laughing to himself about them bringing some random girl home before heading to car and her stumbling was included on the affidavit for Washington’s arrest warrant as part Washington’s statement to police before he lawyered up.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:22 pm to lsupride87
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Not only have I said they are evil and guilty of rape, I have said them being absolutely ducking dumb as a box of rocks is what made the case against themselves
They aren’t as dumb as you think
The cops scared them into thinking they would be charged with her death.
The cops knew and probably told them she had a BAC of .32 and had been anally penetrated.
So they could go with the story that she was sober and consented to sex. Then the next obvious question would be “well how did she go from sober to a BAC of .32 in less than an hour with you and then end up dead in the road?”
Or they could admit she was wasted and basically out of her mind when they met her and that’s why she wandered into the street later, but say she consented.
They weren’t thinking about the rape. They were scared shitless that they were responsible for her death.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:24 pm to dallastigers
Yes, if she'd gotten home and gone to sleep. Sobered up. Washed away evidence. May have no pressed charges at all. Shame, embarrassment, scared of being in the news and having to testify and explain herself.
Her death established the BAC and led to the investigation as to the events of that night.
Likely 95% plus of 'girl to drunk has sex' cases never get prosecuted.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:29 pm to lsupride87
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NO frickING shite. How many times do I have to say their own comments make it clear as day it was rape
But you also seem to have convinced yourself self you can commit 3rd degree rape and get off by saying I was drunk and a victim too.
Someone said it earlier in the thread. Two people with .319 BAC aren’t having sex with each other. They are passed out, falling down, etc. They 1000% aren’t managing to have sex. It’s not physically possible.
That’s basically the same for third degree rape. If two people are in a room so drunk that they are incapable of understanding the nature of the act…the act ain’t happening. You can’t have a competing third degree rape situation.
In the case where someone even tried that, then independent facts will determine the real victim:
- Video
- Witnesses
- Rape kit (ME can differentiate between consensual and no consensual sex).
- BAC
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:29 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
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3. Other witnesses could come forward and testify that they were sober, rapey, creepy (and still might)
Witnesses at the bar are saying the opposite. She was the one hugging and kissing. Yes, it’s hearsay right now but that is what people are saying.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:29 pm to WaWaWeeWa
They were scared of the death being charged for sure.
"She got in the car and partied with us," would have been a reasonable defense. Her BAC was .319 an hour later because we drank with her and had a sex party.
But with the death they can't say that otherwise they got a drunk girl drunker and then dropped her off by a speedy roadway. Negligent homicide or even manslaughter.
17 and 18 year olds don't necessarily know the details of the law and don't realize they're implicating themselves with what they say.
Washington finally realized it (he had earlier denied having sex with Madison) after they asked him for a DNA sample and he 'lawyered up.'
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:30 pm to dallastigers
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Who said that? or who was in back towards end of video? I paraphrased it, but laughing to himself about them bringing some random girl home before heading to car and her stumbling was included on the affidavit for Washington’s arrest warrant as part Washington’s statement to police before he lawyered up.
It’s in the affidavit. The uncle was the one who said he couldn’t believe how easily a girl would leave with guys in his statement.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 12:09 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:31 pm to lsupride87
They were screwed from the jump
If they say she wasn’t drunk then they could be accused of getting her drunk and therefore responsible for her death
If they admit she was drunk then it’s rape. But I guess were hoping if they said he asked her for consent 5 times it would be ok.
If they say she wasn’t drunk then they could be accused of getting her drunk and therefore responsible for her death
If they admit she was drunk then it’s rape. But I guess were hoping if they said he asked her for consent 5 times it would be ok.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:32 pm to lsupride87
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She was shitfaced
And we didn't need their statements to know that
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But without the brain trust criminals own statements, we would have no idea how hammered they were
We would know how many drinks were bought while at Reggie.
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they didn’t talk first, they could easily now say “we were hammered. The night is a blackout” and this video at least would show she followed them
They can easily say whatever they want.
But video will show how many rounds were bought during those 3+ hours.
I'd say good luck with the old she followed us defense.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:33 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Come on guys you were not all born freaking yesterday. The white kid has probably already cut a deal or at least is working on a deal. He already has provided the cops a damning affidavit. (That’s sure as hell what I would be doing if I were representing him anyway.)………and the other guy that didn’t participate in the alleged rape should be doing the same shite.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:33 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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They aren’t as dumb as you think The cops scared them into thinking they would be charged with her death. The cops knew and probably told them she had a BAC of .32 and had been anally penetrated. So they could go with the story that she was sober and consented to sex. Then the next obvious question would be “well how did she go from sober to a BAC of .32 in less than an hour with you and then end up dead in the road?” Or they could admit she was wasted and basically out of her mind when they met her and that’s why she wandered into the street later, but say she consented. They weren’t thinking about the rape. They were scared shitless that they were responsible for her death.
Cool. Lets still hang all 4 of them.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:34 pm to HodsonTiger13
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Washington finally realized it (he had earlier denied having sex with Madison) after they asked him for a DNA sample and he 'lawyered up.
Exactly. He thought he was helping the police solve her death and exonerating himself. Then he said oh shite they are going to say I raped her.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:35 pm to DiamondDog
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Cool. Lets still hang all 4 of them.
Fine with me
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:41 pm to TutHillTiger
Yes, Carver is cooperating already. Parents and his siblings about to be run out of their lives over this. He'll cooperate with new damning evidence soon.
Any real jail time for Carver would not go well. He'll do whatever it takes to stay out of jail.
He can testify as to their state of mind: "They knew she was really drunk. Knew it was wrong. Regretted it after." He can testify none of the perps were drunk and they went there seeking drunk girls.
He may have screenshots of their messages (which DA could get regardless), may have recorded a phone call - or will - and focus on the two in the backseat who actually raped Madison.
Someone said the Uncle was a drug dealer and may have his own criminal record. That's family but he still may 'flip' as well.
Any real jail time for Carver would not go well. He'll do whatever it takes to stay out of jail.
He can testify as to their state of mind: "They knew she was really drunk. Knew it was wrong. Regretted it after." He can testify none of the perps were drunk and they went there seeking drunk girls.
He may have screenshots of their messages (which DA could get regardless), may have recorded a phone call - or will - and focus on the two in the backseat who actually raped Madison.
Someone said the Uncle was a drug dealer and may have his own criminal record. That's family but he still may 'flip' as well.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:45 pm to Barstools
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Wat? That's not what black out means to anyone I know. It means you drank so much you don't remember the night before past a certain point in time.
The black out is referring to your memory and had nothing to do with sleeping. Many function okay when blacked out.
Thank you. Here is more:
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Alcohol-related blackouts are gaps in a person's memory for events that occurred while they were intoxicated. These gaps happen when a person drinks enough alcohol to temporarily block the transfer of memories from short-term to long-term storage—known as memory consolidation—in a brain area called the hippocampus
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A blackout is not the same as “passing out,” which means either falling asleep or losing consciousness from drinking too much.
During a blackout, a person is still awake but their brain is not creating new memories. Depending on how much the person drank, it is possible to transition from having a blackout to passing out.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:47 pm to X123F45
A man who has an issue with the law reflecting that it is his duty to get a drunk girl to her home rather than hit a home run is not the man that he thinks he is.
Probably walked 20+ girls home drunk from tigerland in the day not to get some action but because statistically a guy being with them makes them exponentially less likely to be a target. Thats why we expect those who are in a position to be helpful, like a man with a drunk girl, to not abuse their position to be helpful. Prisoners even enforce this most simple law of human nature.
ETA: Yet somehow this thread is having a hard time. I dont get it.
Probably walked 20+ girls home drunk from tigerland in the day not to get some action but because statistically a guy being with them makes them exponentially less likely to be a target. Thats why we expect those who are in a position to be helpful, like a man with a drunk girl, to not abuse their position to be helpful. Prisoners even enforce this most simple law of human nature.
ETA: Yet somehow this thread is having a hard time. I dont get it.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:50 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
quote:She was able to run across the road and over a curb without falling down
They are passed out, falling down, etc. They 1000% aren’t managing to have sex. It’s not physically possible.
There are absoutely men capable of having sex with that BAC. Your statement is ridiculous
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:57 pm to lsupride87
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There are absoutely men capable of having sex with that BAC. Your statement is ridiculous
I can make the lil fella work no matter how plastered I am. The problem, according to my wife, is how long and miserable the experience (in her opinion of course)
Posted on 1/26/23 at 11:58 pm to HodsonTiger13
It’s the smart move, and the one he has to make, and he can walk with no jail time. The DA has to win big profile cases like this or he will face a real opponent. It’s mutually beneficial
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