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re: Declaring yourself a minority on an application to get an advantage.

Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:00 am to
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:00 am to
I think people from Portugal are categorized as "Hispanic" now as well. Which is kind of silly because they don't speak Spanish.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 10:01 am
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:02 am to
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Brazil


This was a Portuguese territory.

And what of the windward and leeward islands? What of the American states which were formerly Mexican territories?


List is bullshite.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:03 am to
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This was a Portuguese territory.



Which is why they are categorized as "Latino".
Posted by tylercsbn9
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:38 am to
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Would it be okay for them to declare themselves in the minority demo on applications for college, graduate schools, jobs, etc.? We know minorities get preferential treatment. I mean, if they have Hispanic last names and speak fluent Spanish they should be able to classify as a minority, right?



Well are they part Hispanic?

My son is half Hispanic, but he looks white as can be. You can bet he'll check that Hispanic box when it comes time for applications
Posted by tylercsbn9
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:39 am to
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Hispanic is not a race but an ethnicity.



But there is still usually a place to check you're hispanic on the applications. And it results in lower entrance requirements versus if you just say white Caucasian.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:52 am to
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My son is half Hispanic, but he looks white as can be. You can bet he'll check that Hispanic box when it comes time for applications



This is what I'm getting at. My son speaks Spanish has brown hair and brown eyes with an Italian last name that gets mistaken for Hispanic all the time. The only stereotype he doesn't meet is his height. He's kind of tall at 6'3". He could pass as Hispanic pretty easily. I just don't know if that's the "right" thing to do. Seems like the definition is so subjective it really doesn't matter.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:42 am to
I wonder that since whites are so discriminated against nowadays, can we get an advantage, too?
Posted by Collegedropout
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:46 am to
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have Hispanic last names but are white as Norwegians

Lol. And you guys make fun of me.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:49 am to
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This is what I'm getting at. My son speaks Spanish has brown hair and brown eyes with an Italian last name that gets mistaken for Hispanic all the time. The only stereotype he doesn't meet is his height. He's kind of tall at 6'3".


Luis Scola 6'8"
Manu Ginobili 6'6"
Andres Nocioni 6'8"
Carlos Delfino 6'6"

Average height of men in Spain: 5'10"
Average height of men in US: 5'10"
Average height of men in Argentina: 5'8.5"
Posted by Collegedropout
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:52 am to
So he's not really Hispanic?
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:06 pm to
Lol, I know several Hispanic people who are blond haired and blue eyed. Just because they're Hispanic doesn't mean they're a Guatemalan Indian.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:09 pm to
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So he's not really Hispanic?


In culture. Not really.

In DNA (Spanish origin). Probably around 30%.
Posted by Collegedropout
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:12 pm to
DNA is all that matters. I'm only like 5%. I would do it too if I could.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:15 pm to
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Average height of men in Spain: 5'10"
Average height of men in US: 5'10"
Average height of men in Argentina: 5'8.5"
that’s a whole lot of sawed-off men
Posted by Tigerdev
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:17 pm to
Can we see some substantive metrics on the "advantage" you are referring to?
Can we compare the actual data on this "advantage" vs preferences for legacy applicants and other forms of nepotism?
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:19 pm to
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I think we have already determined that whites are the most discriminated group in America in 2017.


Without a doubt
Posted by Sidicous
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:22 pm to
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I just don't know if that's the "right" thing to do.


What's "right" in this life of dog eat dog competition for scarce resources (best possible job/status/wealth, etc.) is to take advantage of ALL opportunities to gain the upperhand over all other competitors.

What's NOT "right"? Allowing advantages to go to the competition and thus losing some of the potential to excel beyond all others.

When the rules change allowing men to be women and such, use those rule changes to maintain advantages. Adapt or die.

I'm currently a trans gendered homosexual Polynesian Islander female until it benefits me to be something else.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:23 pm to
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Hispanic last names but are white as Norwegians

don't get out much do you?
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:27 pm to
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Can we see some substantive metrics on the "advantage" you are referring to?


I wasn't referring to anything specific however this the the first result I got after googling.


So your chances of being accepted into medical school are MUCH higher if you identify as a Hispanic or Black minority.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

What's "right" in this life of dog eat dog competition for scarce resources (best possible job/status/wealth, etc.) is to take advantage of ALL opportunities to gain the upperhand over all other competitors.

What's NOT "right"? Allowing advantages to go to the competition and thus losing some of the potential to excel beyond all others.

When the rules change allowing men to be women and such, use those rule changes to maintain advantages. Adapt or die.

I'm currently a trans gendered homosexual Polynesian Islander female until it benefits me to be something else.



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