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re: Death With Dignity
Posted on 11/24/20 at 10:38 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 11/24/20 at 10:38 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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There was a book i read in middle school or high school about a person who was hit with some explosive in war and couldnt speak or communicate and it was that persons mental viewpoint as they tried to communicate with their caregivers without the ability to see or speak and may have not had hands either - it was terrifying
That was a Metallica video, idiot.
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 11:32 pm to Lsupimp
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There was a book i read in middle school or high school about a person who was hit with some explosive in war and couldnt speak or communicate and it was that persons mental viewpoint as they tried to communicate with their caregivers without the ability to see or speak and may have not had hands either - it was terrifying
That was a Metallica video, idiot.
It is actually called “locked in syndrome” and can be the result of a accident, or health issue like a stroke. Those that have recovered from it described being totally awake and aware to all things going on, but unable to communicate to anyone. In one case the person was able to blink, and after his caretakers figured out he was communicating, he dictated a book by blinking.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 11:52 pm to Lsupimp
I mean theoretically a person in this situation could just get a slip and then can buy a pill and administer it to themselves if the means of transmission existed.
It seems you are having trouble grasping that aspect. Its just a test of if a person is mentally capable of making such a decision - anything that mental capability is confirmed is a personal choice
It seems you are having trouble grasping that aspect. Its just a test of if a person is mentally capable of making such a decision - anything that mental capability is confirmed is a personal choice
This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 12:03 am
Posted on 11/24/20 at 11:53 pm to Lsupimp
It is also a book, never really listened to Metallica. My guess is that their video would have been a nod to that book.
Johnny Got His Gun another poster said it was called.
ETA: written in 1938 per Google
Johnny Got His Gun another poster said it was called.
ETA: written in 1938 per Google
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 11/24/20 at 11:54 pm to Lsupimp
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This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 11/25/20 at 12:45 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Im curious about people who oppose death with dignity where it would be allowed for people of sound mind, etc. Why cant a person decide that they don't want to fight to the very end and instead opt to go out in peace when they see fit. Instead of spending all that money in the final months (almost seems like this benefits the medical lobby and not individuals), they can pass it on to their loved ones.
The fight against death is a losing battle - in history and in literature/storytelling we celebrate people who choose their final stand on their own ground - people should be allowed to make that same decision.
I seems like fthe extreme fear of death and aversion to discussing our own fatality that is the cause of the aversion to death with dignity. It seems odd that we are expected to fight to the bitter end against the inevitable. This fight is likely for the benefit of our family and loved ones - and i question whether it is even a benefit.
Im sitting up with my dog hoping to get him in to be put down tomorrow and it has me thinking on why i wouldn't be allowed to make this decision for myself.
Putting a dog down is one of the worst things I have had to do. I’m also sitting up with my dog after deciding to not to put her down today. She’s a Great Dane and after helping her around with a towel to walk and use the bathroom for the last month or two I’m just tired. I know it’s time but she’s still eating and enjoys going and laying in the yard but I have to help her get there.
Posted on 11/25/20 at 12:47 am to Lsupimp
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That was a Metallica video, idiot.
It was a movie called Johnny Got His Gun. I won't call you an idiot, but you know...
Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:32 am to Sneaky__Sally
Death with dignity statutes exist in California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington. It’s legal in Montana even without statute. So there are options and you can bet more states will be added.
Posted on 11/25/20 at 2:10 am to Rize
I hear you, and best luck to the old girl. My GSD doesn't want to go outside and watch the cats, which is a big sign for him lol - he has eaten some with an appetite stimulant the last few days and I was hoping that would perk him up (he seemed almost fine 10 days ago), but not go on that. I already had an appointment for Monday, but hoping to take care of it tomorrow as I can tell he is done.
Posted on 11/25/20 at 7:37 am to lsusteve1
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However, suicide is another story
I’m not advocating for suicide, but how is this different from the popular liberal chant “my body, my choice?” Snuffing out a beating heart is killing, no matter who has the bloody hands.
Posted on 11/25/20 at 7:42 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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99.999%
I’ve never seen a Dr be so specific.
Posted on 11/25/20 at 8:16 am to Sneaky__Sally
If you want to die, just go walk the downtown streets of any large liberal city.
Posted on 11/25/20 at 8:19 am to kywildcatfanone
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If you want to die, just go walk the downtown streets of any large liberal city wearing a red MAGA hat, just to be sure..
Posted on 11/25/20 at 12:59 pm to Sneaky__Sally
This is how the California law is. You have to request it multiple times, then still have the ability to administer the cocktail to yourself. My aunt did this two years ago. She had ALS and the prison walls were closing fast. She lived in constant fear of suffocation, still of sound mind.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:21 am to Ghost of Colby
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think human consciousness, is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware, nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself, we are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self; an accretion of sensory, experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody. Maybe the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight - brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal."
ok, Rust Cohle
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:25 am to Socrates Johnson
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This is how the California law is. You have to request it multiple times, then still have the ability to administer the cocktail to yourself. My aunt did this two years ago. She had ALS and the prison walls were closing fast. She lived in constant fear of suffocation, still of sound mind.
Well cali gets a few things right it seems, in addition to a lot of wrong.
I wonder if someone can like fly to cali to have that option or if you have to be a resident or something.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:28 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:so you make sweeping generalizations from one person? That has nothing to do with what OP was talking about btw
My 3rd great aunt was given a 99.999% chance of death at age 75 but lived for another 20 years so I’m against it
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:29 am to Rouge
Thanks, I was afraid I didn’t really exist at all.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:31 am to northshorebamaman
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It's legal here. My wife's clinic offers it.
Were is here? Really.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:32 am to Sneaky__Sally
isn't hospice really just that? To make you comfortable as you go?
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