re: Death toll reaches 146 on Seoul Halloween parade stampede

Ok, I just did a street view and I found that deeply disconcerting with how normal it looks versus the tragedy that happened there.

The one thing I want to know is what role the restaurant played. It’s entrance is at the entrance of the alley so theoretically if your dining at the restaurant, you’d have at least a partial view of the entrance and the situation deeper in the alleyway that people at street level can’t. I think it’s an interesting perspective at least

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It’s what I imagine hell to be like.

There’s a video I won’t link where a woman’s head is poking out of a pile of bodies and she’s obviously dead, completely blue, month open and two feet away is another dead women completely blue with her mouth and eyes open kinda lying on top of a group of still living people and people in the bar are checking her pulse and just shaking their head. They look like ghosts.

I did figure out… so supposedly the reason they kept playing music at near by bars and clubs was they didn’t want a mass exodus of people leaving the clubs and making the situation even worse. People were told by bouncers they were not allowed to leave. There are stories from bars nearby also that never knew anything really happened at all.

Actually supposedly some police showed up within 2 minutes but it might have taken then time to understand the situation

I honestly feel for some of you, when shite like this happens in the US it's all boo hoo, but other places you only have jokes.

The loss of life is tragic no matter where it happens.

Does anyone worry about going to NFL games, college games/ concerts? Could this happen at such events?

Marcdi gras seems like a perfect storm.

It’s really insane, I read a whole passage on crowd surges after I saw this thread last night. Basically the crowd becomes a liquid with the back pushing the front forward, the back can’t see the front slowing down or walking into the side of a building so they just keep pressing onwards and everyone is packed like sardines so absolutely no way to fight the current except to just walk along with it. Something like this could technically happen anywhere there is a surge of people in an enclosed space. Once people start falling, more and more fall on top of them and they get interlocked like legos, I always assumed people died from being trampled, that’s the least likely cause.

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Does anyone worry about going to NFL games, college games/ concerts? Could this happen at such events?

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This does regularly happen at concerts and there are many examples of deaths from this, though usually not at this scale.

The most famous being The Station. People couldn’t exit because of the crush.

But hell, even like 7 years ago, a bunch of people in Germany died because over 3 times more people showed up to a music than they expected and thousands of people got trapped in a tunnel as the stadium was emptying out and more people were arranging for the next band

At sporting events? The most famous crush till now was at a soccer stadium in the 1980s where 94 people died I believe. The goalie was listening to cries of help as thousands of people were crushed against the fence keeping fans off the field. There’s a reason you no longer see those fences.

Modern sporting venues? They’re pretty highly regulated and researched so I don’t think there’s a large chance of this as this is somewhat planned for but if the right scenarios crop up, sure you should always be aware of your situation.

Now people running into the field? Or exiting from leaving the field? Yes. Absolutely. People still get hurt regularly from it and that’s why I continue to call people out for rushing the field

I was in a minor crush. Pretty sure no one got seriously hurt but it was pretty fricking horrifying. Thought I was going to end up being shoved underneath a car.

No lie, I did end up shitting myself . All the contents in my digestive track were discombobulated and it felt like my contents were pushed out.

Also, you do get picked up and you do move in waves. It is real scary.

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t’s really insane, I read a whole passage on crowd surges after I saw this thread last night. Basically the crowd becomes a liquid with the back pushing the front forward, the back can’t see the front slowing down or walking into the side of a building so they just keep pressing onwards and everyone is packed like sardines so absolutely no way to fight the current except to just walk along with it. Something like this could technically happen anywhere there is a surge of people in an enclosed space. Once people start falling, more and more fall on top of them and they get interlocked like legos, I always assumed people died from being trampled, that’s the least likely cause.

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This happened to me and some friends in Nola for mardi gras. A fight broke out and I just remember following the crowd and as the crowd swayed to move to avoid the fight all you could do is do as everyone in front of you did sway and try and find a way to get out of the flow of the crowd. It was like we were stuck in a rip current and couldn't get out until some of the people in front were able to get out of the flow.

Whoa