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re: Dayton, OH bar mass shooting - 10 dead, 27 wounded
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:07 pm to Tigerbait357
Posted on 8/5/19 at 11:07 pm to Tigerbait357
A lot of diversity in that photo.
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:49 am to QuackAttack716
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Joe Schmo and family can avoid being a casualty of gang violence in the inner city
This plus domestic violence accounts for a large majority of "mass shooting" incidents (4 or more shot in one incident).
Posted on 8/6/19 at 4:19 am to VerlanderBEAST
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der gunna take away muh kewl gernz how im gunna fantasize about lighting up all the home intruders now?
Do you really think these amount to "mass killings"??? EVERY SINGLE WEEK in the USA over 30 children are murdered by domestic violence in their own homes... 80% are completely defenseless under 4 years old.
We haven't had 300 children die in mass shootings or school shootings in the past 50 years but there are morons in this country that are suckered in and manipulated by media sensationaliism like dumb sheep
Yet in the past 50 years, not 300... but over 100,000 helpless children in the USA are beat to death in their own homes... ...and where is the media and the public outrage for these murders that are astronomical in comparison??? Duhhh... now yuh see haw stupid sum peeple are???
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 4:24 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 6:22 am to MiDixon Yermouth
One I think people realize that there are people that are unfit to be parents and if they aren’t reported this type of thing can’t be stopped until it’s too late. It ends up being the type of thing people get desensitized to, just like The Advocate letting us know there was a shooting last night.
I don’t think any coverage of killing 9 people in 30 seconds can be considered sensationalism. I think even pro-gun people are starting to consider how ineffective their concealed weapon might be when they are picking out their steaks and some lunatic shoots you in the back of the head.
I don’t think any coverage of killing 9 people in 30 seconds can be considered sensationalism. I think even pro-gun people are starting to consider how ineffective their concealed weapon might be when they are picking out their steaks and some lunatic shoots you in the back of the head.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 6:47 am to zakeeus
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I don’t think any coverage of killing 9 people in 30 seconds can be considered sensationalism. I think even pro-gun people are starting to consider how ineffective their concealed weapon might be when they are picking out their steaks and some lunatic shoots you in the back of the head.
The problem is you won't get this to stop happening by banning a type of weapon. They will just start using pistols that can inflict similar devastation. Then the crowd that is calling for AWB again is going to go after pistols. We went through this 25 years ago.
Endgame for the gun control nuts is no guns in civilian hands. I can't blame some of the pro gun crowd for saying no new laws. There is some middle ground we can work with, but neither side will give an inch from their goal. So we are at this stalemate.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 6:47 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 6:50 am to zakeeus
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I think even pro-gun people are starting to consider how ineffective their concealed weapon might be when they are picking out their steaks and some lunatic shoots you in the back of the head.
A rocket launcher or a damn nuke isnt going to help me if I just get shot in the back of the head while buying some meat
The emotional arguments and points in here are absurd
Posted on 8/6/19 at 6:59 am to Dam Guide
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There is some middle ground we can work with
The pro-2nd Amendment side has given ground already, in 1934, 1938, 1968, 1986, 1988, 1990, and 1993. I'd say that's waaaay more than finding a "middle ground."
Posted on 8/6/19 at 7:45 am to Centinel
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I'd say that's waaaay more than finding a "middle ground."
I'd personally like to see a better background check system. Get rid of these silly transfer fees that places tack on and such.
I'm not a fan of no background check sales, but I'm also not a fan of having people getting raped by gun stores with fees to do background checks/transfers.
I'm not a paranoid frick though, government already has done far more in depth background check into me due to my job than anything they would do for a firearm.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 7:50 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:48 am to Dam Guide
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I'd personally like to see a better background check system.
The NICS runs off of three databases. What exactly constitutes "better"? States don't send info in but no law fixes that. Both these shooters bought their weapons legally so nothing involving a background check would have stopped them. This isn't a technology issue.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:51 am to zakeeus
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I think even pro-gun people are starting to consider how ineffective their concealed weapon might be when they are picking out their steaks and some lunatic shoots you in the back of the head.
How many of those people killed were carrying?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:59 am to zakeeus
Just having a weapon on you doesn't make anyone safer. You have to know how to pay attention to your surroundings, and then react to situations when they go downhill. This is either something inherent, or it is something that can be taught through extensive training. Can you tell me who naturally has it, and who doesn't just by looking at them?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:36 am to Dam Guide
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This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 9:10 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:37 am to Clames
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The NICS runs off of three databases. What exactly constitutes "better"? States don't send info in but no law fixes that. Both these shooters bought their weapons legally so nothing involving a background check would have stopped them. This isn't a technology issue.
I don't think fixes to the databases will do much to curb mass shootings either. Most of these guys will pass it. There isn't much to stop this issue without going after 2A, but then they will just find another way to kill crowds of people that may or may not be as effective.
States and Feds need to get better about reporting though. You can try to do something about it State wise with federal financial incentives/punishments/support. There are improvements we can do to try and keep guns away from some people.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 9:41 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:48 am to Dam Guide
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but then they will just find another way to kill crowds of people that may or may not be as effective.
The Tsarnaev brothers already showed just how effective a simple bomb can be.
And in France just how effective a truck can be.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:15 am to Centinel
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And in France just how effective a truck can be.
That is a tired retort that is trotted out. There's a reason mass murderers use guns...they're effective at killing a lot of people quickly. And they exist for that very reason. To kill.
Trucks, cars, etc exist to make our society better and more effective and productive.
I'll now see my way back out of this thread.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:18 am to Klark Kent
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but Connor Betts was definitely not a right leaning person according to his former friend:
The left-wing tweets matches what is known about Betts, who was described by one former friend as 'definitely not a right-leaning person'.
'His political views definitely leaned to the left. And believe it or not, he was actually pro-gun control,' the friend told the Dayton Daily News.
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The left-wing tweets matches what is known about Betts, who was described by one former friend as 'definitely not a right-leaning person'.
'His political views definitely leaned to the left. And believe it or not, he was actually pro-gun control,' the friend told the Dayton Daily News.
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:20 am to Nolalakeview
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This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 10:22 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:21 am to Chucktown_Badger
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There's a reason mass murderers use guns...they're effective at killing a lot of people quickly.
And when you remove the guns, they simply move to another tool. Which is why addressing the tool, and not the problem, is pointless.
Which is the entire point of bringing up the truck. And I also noticed you made no comment on the Tsarnaevs using a bomb.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:22 am to Chucktown_Badger
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To kill.
My guns have never killed anything. So either they don't work or you are the simpleton trotting out a tired talking point.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:32 am to Chucktown_Badger
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I'll now see my way back out of this thread.
Later.
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