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re: Dayton, OH bar mass shooting - 10 dead, 27 wounded

Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:05 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:05 pm to
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I don’t think it’s a lazy argument I think that poster is trying to justify that these murdered will find a way to kill enough people by any means necessary and if we were to ban assault weapons it wouldn’t be out of the realm to think a truck or bomb would be used


It is lazy.

Whataboutism is the laziest of arguments.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55922 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

What's the story on this Dayton shooting?
another incel loser getting frustrating with the world because no one will like them
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30036 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

I've heard the FDE ones are more accurate. Lol


Accuracy and a stock 10-22 should never be in the same sentence, even using Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78169 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:09 pm to
What was the motive, really? One of the victims shares his surname.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70775 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:09 pm to
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slackster


What exactly is your solution?
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73280 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:09 pm to
According to Beto and Pete Buttgeig say the biggest threat to our nation isn’t guns, but “white nationalism” Sigh.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73280 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:10 pm to
Is anyone seeing that one of the victims was the sister of the perpetrator
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65410 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:11 pm to
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Is anyone seeing that one of the victims was the sister of the perpetrator


Someone mentioned that the sister and her boyfriend were two of the victims
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:11 pm to
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Hail already put up the best argument a couple of pages back


I saw it. Need to look into the data more. The "mass shooting" definition is notoriously vague. The mass shootings that are discussed are the ones where random folks are shot up in large numbers. Domestic and gang stuff, among others, count when they shouldn't.

I said yesterday that I don't believe the US should change because of a few incredibly rare incidences, and I stand by that. I don't want guns confiscated either, but it may happen one day if the best people can argue in support is Whataboutism.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
50044 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:13 pm to
Fair enough. But guns will never be confiscated without America splintering
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 1:14 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

quote:

I don’t think it’s a lazy argument I think that poster is trying to justify that these murdered will find a way to kill enough people by any means necessary and if we were to ban assault weapons it wouldn’t be out of the realm to think a truck or bomb would be used



It is lazy. 

Whataboutism is the laziest of arguments.


You're right.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49000 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:14 pm to
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You got any proof to back upnthat statement

Go dig up mass shootings since 2012(when the NRA acknowledged the skyrocket in sales of ar15s) of more than 10 victims and compare the kill ratio. And I'm talking about when someone picks a location and goes kill people. The pattern of using the AR is proven. And victim count way up

And Using the 'definition' of mass shootings is bullshite.
Mass shootings statistics are bullshite when it's including drive bys and shite like familicide or shootouts at a nightclub.

Case and point. Chicago had two mass shootings since Dayton yesterday. You idiots are counting those incidents in the 'weapons used' argument.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Priapus
Member since Oct 2012
1950 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:15 pm to
Shooter and sister

Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

Whataboutism is the laziest of arguments.


The creation of whataboutism in and of itself is very lazy and hypocritical.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:16 pm to
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What exactly is your solution?


Don't have one. Don't think it's a problem that can be solved without worse unintended consequences.

My only point in this thread is how stupid people act when trying to defend what ultimately is a constitutionally protected right.

Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
50044 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:18 pm to
Yup that’s about what I expected.

What’s the patch on the right.
Posted by cbdman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2015
1269 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:18 pm to

While a Bellbrook student, Betts was suspended for causing a lockdown by writing a “hit-list” on a bathroom wall, Baker said, “I would not dispute that information, but I don’t want to get involved any more than just making that comment.”

A woman who went to high school with Betts recalled the hit-list.

“I know he made the list,” she said. “I’m not sure who the names were on there...He had a plan to shoot up the school.”

When she first heard about the shooting, she said Betts’ name came to her mind.

“I guessed it might’ve been him just from that list,” she said.

She added that Betts was bullied at the high school and that he seemed “pretty normal” after he “got some help from making list.”

Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65410 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:19 pm to
I’m guessing that the parents were nowhere to be found and not interested in their kid’s lives at all.
Posted by cbdman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2015
1269 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:20 pm to
Posted by NYCAuburn
TD Platinum Membership/SECr Sheriff
Member since Feb 2011
57012 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:22 pm to
Not sure if discussed. These are the rumors but My local friends and family are saying potentially racial motivation. Sister was at club with black boyfriend.
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