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re: D-Day was only the first day of a far larger and far more brutal campaign in Normandy...
Posted on 6/8/26 at 7:18 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 6/8/26 at 7:18 am to Darth_Vader
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It’s always boggled my mind how the Allies were so ill prepared for the hedgerows in Normandy. They had been smuggling agents in and out of Northern France for almost two years at that point. They had God only knows how many thousands of arial recon photographs of quite literally every square inch of France from the Normandy coast clear to Paris. I could kinda understand the Americans not being that familiar with the rural countryside in Normandy France, but the Brits too? They live right across the channel!
That kind of stuff wasn't in Britain, correct? I'd be willing to bet an overwhelming majority had never seen the hedgerows nor had experience. Also, not sure if recon photos were of that area. Most recon photos were taken from high altitude in 2D format. Not sure if that would have made a difference.
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Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:13 am to weagle1999
quote:Well that problem stems from not eliminating the communists also. The Nazis and Japa absolutely had to go. Perhaps if we'd pushed further in the Korean War, things would be different. Maybe the USSR still exists. Maybe not. Maybe China isn't communist anymore. Plenty of what ifs.
Knowing where we have ended up…was it worth it?
So much of the woke liberal DEI horseshite being pushed on us today stems from overseas communist influences playing the long game and manipulating those liberal useful idiots via the internet. We all see it plain as day.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:33 am to RollTide1987
My old man was on Okinawa for over forty days.
One tangible legacy I have is that he never allowed SPAM into the house when I was a kid because he had to live off it cold straight out of the can there.
He was frugal as well, I mistakenly thought that we didn’t have it at home because it was expensive until I was a teenager.
One tangible legacy I have is that he never allowed SPAM into the house when I was a kid because he had to live off it cold straight out of the can there.
He was frugal as well, I mistakenly thought that we didn’t have it at home because it was expensive until I was a teenager.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:57 am to RollTide1987
After the Normandy breakout it was Operation Cobra.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:03 am to RollTide1987
My grandfather was killed a little over a month after D Day in the Hedgerow battles. From what I've read, it was exceptionally brutal.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:10 am to RollTide1987
The Pacific also gets lost in the shuffle when talking about WW2.The Battle of Okinawa alone accounted for 50,000 US casualties, 100,000 Japanese military casualties and anywhere from 40,000 to 150,000 dead civilians. If the US had to invade the rest of mainland Japan it would have been by far the deadliest campaign that the US was ever involved in.
I realize the A-bombs caused a ton of damage in a short time, but had the US not developed them, Japan may have been completely destroyed. With the US and allies taking insane casualties.
I realize the A-bombs caused a ton of damage in a short time, but had the US not developed them, Japan may have been completely destroyed. With the US and allies taking insane casualties.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:10 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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My great uncle and your grandfather ate the same sand in the second wave. I’ve wondered through the years how much the second wave and later folks were told about how the first wave wen
they crawled over the same bodies, heard the cries of pain as they pushed forward.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:19 am to Purplehaze
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Biggest surprise were the hedgerows.
My grandfather came ashore on D-Day +4 with the 30th Infantry Division. He said of the hedgerows that, to him, the most stressful thing was that while walking along them you would often hear activity on the other side and wouldn't know if it was our guys or the enemy until you reached the occasional opening in the hedgerow.
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 11:12 am
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:49 am to RollTide1987
This is a fairly decent map coverage of the Battle for Normandy..
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/8/26 at 2:33 pm to PacoPicopiedra
Posted on 6/8/26 at 3:53 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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That kind of stuff wasn't in Britain, correct? I'd be willing to bet an overwhelming majority had never seen the hedgerows nor had experience. Also, not sure if recon photos were of that area. Most recon photos were taken from high altitude in 2D format. Not sure if that would have made a difference.
You’d think at least one Frenchmen would’ve piped up and said something about it
I realize a lot of French were casualties of the initial German invasion but surely there was someone that mentioned the hedgerows in the planning of the greatest invasion in human history. I assume the concern was more just thrown to the side and a “we’ll cross that bridge when we get there”
Posted on 6/8/26 at 4:30 pm to CitizenK
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He laughed then said, I pissed my pants I was so scared. We were all scared. 1st Wave.
Read an oral history about someone who landed on D-Day. First wave. He said after that day he learned something. "brave men piss. Cowards shite."
Posted on 6/8/26 at 4:35 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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My great uncle and your grandfather ate the same sand in the second wave.
My grandad was second wave as well. He was also at Battle of the Bulge.
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That kind of stuff wasn't in Britain, correct?
You kidding? The Brits love their hedgerows. They've used them for thousands of years. It's much cheaper and easier than fencing.
They even used to have baws who specialized in planting and taking care of hedgerows. This video is actually from the WWII era:
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/8/26 at 4:40 pm to WWII Collector
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This is a fairly decent map coverage of the Battle for Normandy..
Great site. Thanks for sharing that.
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