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Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:24 am to GeauxVols
Really depends on which beach you get. But it was Army who hit Normandy. Marines were used to hit the Pacific beaches.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:25 am to upgrayedd
and you were fighting against a nation largely with the same views of military and life as you. i doubt the germans would have ever resorted to the shite the japs were doing on places like iwo jima. frick. that
not to mention the germans largely treated american and british POWs, even the jewish ones, within accordance of the geneva convention iirc
not to mention the germans largely treated american and british POWs, even the jewish ones, within accordance of the geneva convention iirc
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:26 am to Scruffy
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So, which invasion tactic would you rather be a part of?
Which beach?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:26 am to rmnldr
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Ohhh gotcha. Landing force maybe
Or infantry?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:31 am to WestCoastAg
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not to mention the germans largely treated american and british POWs, even the jewish ones, within accordance of the geneva convention iirc
To be fair, we weren't exactly angels in the Pacific. I think in many battles it was understood that no quarter was asked or given.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:33 am to RollTide1987
I rather be an Airborne replacement after the last raid before they went and looted Berchtesgarden and drank all that high end alcohol 
O'Keefe would have been great even if you got ribbed by Picante.
LINK
O'Keefe would have been great even if you got ribbed by Picante.
LINK
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:34 am to Chad504boy
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we may have been better off had the japs took over our country.
those Japs were tough at Normandy
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:34 am to Scruffy
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Question is, would you rather be a part of the airborne parachute assault or the marine landing assault?
There were virtually no Marines in the D-Day invasion. Those were US Army amphibious troops.
And - not sure where you're drawing your casualty figures - for the U.S. airborne operation (including the aircraft crews and glider troops) for the week, it was ~1000 KIA, ~2500 wounded and ~4500 MIA. Of the MIA, there was a range of resolution from POW, recovered, KIA/presumed KIA over the years.
In addition to the 13k paratroopers, there were around 4k glider troops and 5700 air force. Counting all stats for the week, that force had over a 40% casualty rate, although with so many missing ultimately recovered as fit for duty or lightly wounded and rapidly returned to duty, it wasn't as bad as it looks on its face.
And as far as the amphibious landings - it all mattered where you were and in which wave. First wave of Omaha? "Hell naw." Second wave at Gold, Sword or Juno? "Pick me!"
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:36 am to GeauxVols
quote:Airborne infantry or seaborne infantry is a clearer way to distinguish, imo. Only their insertion tactics differ (mostly, I'd imagine the seaborne force was far more mechanized)).
Agreed. I just didn’t want to call them Marines per the thread title.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 10:40 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:37 am to Scruffy
As a former paratrooper, Airborne All The Way!
I've read about everything written about the Airborne in the invasion and so on. Probably the best book I've read about just how bad it was and just how hardcore those guys were is "D-day with the screaming eagles" by George Koskimaki LINK
It's a collection of stories from the guys who dropped on D-day. It was written in the 60's. Several accounts of the guys that came to be known as the band of brothers was in there.
A few accounts stuck with me. One guy was dying and knew he could still fight in place and did so knowing the consequences. If he had surrendered he may have lived but he chose to fight. Another guy had his nose completely shot off. He told the guy that provided the account "I came here to kill germans" and headed off to do so.
I've read about everything written about the Airborne in the invasion and so on. Probably the best book I've read about just how bad it was and just how hardcore those guys were is "D-day with the screaming eagles" by George Koskimaki LINK
It's a collection of stories from the guys who dropped on D-day. It was written in the 60's. Several accounts of the guys that came to be known as the band of brothers was in there.
A few accounts stuck with me. One guy was dying and knew he could still fight in place and did so knowing the consequences. If he had surrendered he may have lived but he chose to fight. Another guy had his nose completely shot off. He told the guy that provided the account "I came here to kill germans" and headed off to do so.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:38 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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the real answer is I'd rather be in the navy blasting shells at the pill boxes
This. Go Navy.
Spirit of the thread, airborn. At least I am fighting back. How many guys did not make it to the ground alive vs how many guys never made it off the sand.
I’m assuming airborn wins?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:38 am to tigeraddict
quote:Told it on here before...
1,240 for the 101st Airborne Division
Uncle Thurman was 101st, one of the 30 survivors eventually rescued by Patton at the Battle of the Bulge, Bastogne. Took a bullet to the head and kept fighting. Said he had 3 rounds left when the Germans surrendered.
ETA:
quote:Uncle James was a certified Ace fighter Pilot, 19 confirmed kills after 3 tours in Europe. Signed on for the 3rd when they promised him a P51 to kill Germans with. I used to see him crop dusting about 5 feet over the cotton under the phone lines. Just as steady and picturesque as any Hollyweird production. Come up under the wires , lift and roll, then circle back to do it again.
Still better odds then being in a B-17. Their life expectancy was not very good. Was about a 50/50% chance of living through it, or being KIA,MIA, or POW.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 10:47 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:40 am to The Pirate King
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Imagine today’s generation…they’d huddle up and cry if one of the Germans called them a name.
It was this generation that went house to house in Fallujah, among other shitholes.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:41 am to northshorebamaman
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Airborne infantry or seaborne infantry is a clearer way to distinguish, imo. Only their insertion tactics differ (mostly, I'd imagine the seaborne force was far more mechanized)).
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 10:43 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:42 am to GeauxVols
fair enoughPosted on 5/14/21 at 10:43 am to Scruffy
One thing to consider is that Marines took an island and then generally had a rather long period to rest and refit before the next operation. So while it was harrowing, there was an endpoint. When an Army unit in Europe went into combat, it generally was for the duration. This applied even to the Airborne units, which were originally envisioned to be used like Marines. A ten day operation in Normandy turned into over a month, then right back into Holland, then almost immediately into the Bulge.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:49 am to Sidicous
I imagine getting shot at as you are parachuting down with nowhere to hide has to be diarrhea-inducing. I wonder if any Germans on the ground caught the chocolate rain.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:54 am to Jim Rockford
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It was this generation that went house to house in Fallujah, among other shitholes.
Volunteers. Draftees are a totally different situation.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:00 am to Scruffy
If I had the choice I would come ashore at 3AM in my pirogue. I would be like Shramp Team 6,all in black. Since I would not be allowed that option I would go Airborne(but I would not pop my chute until I was at least 500 ' above the ground). Omaha Beach was a Buzzsaw, say a prayer for those Men today.
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