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Cov19 test - Memphis/Shelby County Jail

Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:17 am
Posted by hubreb
Member since Nov 2008
2165 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:17 am
Prisoners and Guards volunteered for tests - they weren't administered because of a discovery of symptoms

"officials tested 266 individuals at 201 Poplar last Friday. Of those tested, 155 detainees tested positive. 37 employees tested positive."

All were asymptomatic - that is 72%....I heard of something similar in Louisiana recently -- i'd imagine certain concentrated populations in cities have this same proportion of population that would test positive
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
77918 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:17 am to
This thing has been around at least a year with how many people are testing positive and not showing any symptoms
Posted by terriblegreen
Spokane, LA
Member since Aug 2011
12459 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:22 am to
It's time to end the fricking madness.

Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
35289 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:22 am to
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This thing has been around at least a year with how many people are testing positive and not showing any symptoms


Or the tests are flawed to give false positives.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88462 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:22 am to
Probably December or even November.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:25 am to
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Or the tests are flawed to give false positives.



funny how that is NEVER considered
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40270 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:26 am to
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All were asymptomatic - that is 72%....I heard of something similar in Louisiana recently -- i'd imagine certain concentrated populations in cities have this same proportion of population that would test positive



Maybe I should know this or have read it but how long can the virus be spread by an asymptomatic person? Do we have any idea?

Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
22814 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:29 am to
Don't think it is far fetched to think that it's been around for a while and cases that actually caused illness were just diagnosed as flu or pneumonia.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
35289 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:31 am to
quote:

quote:

Or the tests are flawed to give false positives.



funny how that is NEVER considered



Except by us scientists who've been taught how to critically analyze data and results...
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:34 am to
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Or the tests are flawed to give false positives.


I don’t think these are antibody tests. If they are talking about symptomatic/asymptomatic I assume it’s the nasal swab PCR which doesn’t have many false positives, but rather false negatives.

It would also be nice to know how many people they tested.

Does OP have a link?
Posted by sweetwaterbilly
Member since Mar 2017
19649 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:35 am to
If you end up at 201 Poplar COVID is gonna be the least of your concerns
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
22814 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:40 am to
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Does OP have a link?


I found this article about it.

This article doesn't say "all were asymptomatic" but rather "A significant number of those individuals tested were asymptomatic"

There maybe another article where it says all were asymptomatic.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:40 am to
It looks like the outbreak just started a week ago and that’s why they tested so many. The problem is we never get any follow up on these tests. In another 10 days how many remained asymptomatic? Why is no journalist interested in that story?
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
35289 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:41 am to
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I assume it’s the nasal swab PCR which doesn’t have many false positives


If you get (cross) contamination with viral DNA/RNA and amplify the wrong sequence it could possibly happen using PCR. Given that many tests, do we know their sample handling and chain of custody protocols? Given how many times PCR multiplies the genetic material it would only take a small amount of contamination to trigger a positive result.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 10:43 am
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:44 am to
Yea possibly but that’s a big assumption that we probably shouldn’t make. This isn’t the first story of a jail having a lot of asymptomatic positives.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
35289 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:45 am to
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Yea possibly but that’s a big assumption that we probably shouldn’t make. This isn’t the first story of a jail having a lot of asymptomatic positives.



Don't mind me, I'm just naturally inclined to question everything.

Edit: On my first day of Grad School I walked in to an theoretical ecology class. I knew nobody. The professor walked in and put a bunch f items up on the desk. He proceeded to tell us we were space travelers and the probe we sent down to an alien planet had returned the items and asked us how we'd go about analyzing them. One of the items was a rock. The other students were saying they'd crack it open and study it's crystalline structure and chemical makeup, and every sort of destructive sampling you can think of. I'm just sitting there in the back of the room taking it all in. Finally, I couldn't take it any more and said, "What if it's alive?" The professor pointed at me and said, "Ahhh, what if it IS alive?" All the other students turned around a looked me like "Who's the new kid?"
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 10:51 am
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
14344 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:46 am to
I find these studies very interesting, and I wish states and counties were doing more of them. Are there really that many infected? Are they really asymptomatic and do they stay that way? This kind of data has huge implications for our strategy going forward.

My initial take is that if it is so widespread (and experiments like this seem to be suggesting that) then there is no real hope of containing it. The whole lets do a lot of testing and tracing strategy just isn't going to work. And we need a handle on the number of asymptomatic positives. If 80% of infected don't even get symptoms, that is important to know.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53616 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:52 am to
quote:

This thing has been around at least a year with how many people are testing positive and not showing any symptoms





Yep. Classic strategy.

Have mild symptoms early so you can spread undetected and suddenly spend the saved DNA points to a more lethal variety.

Should have waiting till Iceland and Madagascar were thoroughly infected before flipping the switch tho. Amateur hour.
Posted by Animal
Member since Dec 2017
4341 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:59 am to
Rhinovirus, the common cold, is a corona-virus. It makes me wonder when they report testing positive for corona-virus if they are mixing in the results of people that test positive for a cold.
Posted by hubreb
Member since Nov 2008
2165 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 11:01 am to
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This article doesn't say "all were asymptomatic" but rather "A significant number of those individuals tested were asymptomatic"



First saw this on the news last night - that is where i heard it was voluntary and no one had any symptoms
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