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re: Court Rules in Pornhub Favor in Finding Texas Age-Verification Law Violates 1st Amendment

Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:33 am to
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59227 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:33 am to
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Conservatives who value self-sufficiency should rejoice. Instead of big daddy government stepping in to "protect the children
the cia rejoices. the libertarianism psyop was a success
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298087 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:53 am to
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Conservatives who value self-sufficiency should rejoice.


They will.

Many Republicans are simply "right wing" progressives though. They love authoritarianism until it comes after their money, and it will.
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
5088 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:58 am to
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because I know damn well eventually it will be used against me.


I get people holding out for principle, but how is this going to be used against you? This isn't Ashley Madison. Who gives a frick if anyone knows you visited a porn site? That's pretty tame on the list of things to be outed online for.
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 8:59 am
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14549 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:29 am to
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but how is this going to be used against you?

This mentality seems too close to "if you've got nothing to hide, why are you opposed to being searched?".

Who knows exactly HOW it could be used against someone? Maybe the account is linked to a detailed search history of every video a person watches. Maybe one day it affects your ability to secure a loan or credit. That might sound far fetched, but just look how credit card companies are refusing to do business with firearms dealers. You never know where some ESG social credit score system is going to take us.
People who value freedom generally want privacy from being put into a database. Similar to a national gun registry. Would you ask: "Why do you have a problem being on a national government registration of private gun owners?"
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 9:31 am
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
79453 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:36 am to
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This mentality seems too close to "if you've got nothing to hide, why are you opposed to being searched?".

Who knows exactly HOW it could be used against someone? Maybe the account is linked to a detailed search history of every video a person watches. Maybe one day it affects your ability to secure a loan or credit. That might sound far fetched, but just look how credit card companies are refusing to do business with firearms dealers. You never know where some ESG social credit score system is going to take us.
People who value freedom generally want privacy from being put into a database. Similar to a national gun registry. Would you ask: "Why do you have a problem being on a national government registration of private gun owners?"


All valid concerns re the Louisiana law. But Texas doesn't require a database. There are plenty of ways a verified account can be set up without remembering your real name.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40281 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:40 am to
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This kind of law will 100% lead to demands for ID verification from people who want to look up something like where to get condoms or IUD info so they can create a database of birth control users, which again, is something they want to fricking criminalize.


Louisiana has this ID law and there have been no attempts to do anything like you say.

I think this law is an overreach of government authority on its own. Not an underhanded attempt to do something else.
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 9:41 am
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:51 am to
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Louisiana has this ID law and there have been no attempts to do anything like you say.

Lol wait til you try to run for office and your search query for double anal rimming penetration "leaks". Good luck getting votes from the holier than art thou religious crowd that represents like 60% of Louisiana.

The point is they won't use it unless you become a political opponent.
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 9:52 am
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:54 am to
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I get people holding out for principle, but how is this going to be used against you? This isn't Ashley Madison. Who gives a frick if anyone knows you visited a porn site? That's pretty tame on the list of things to be outed online for.

See above post. Everyone does it but Louisiana and America has a big religious crowd that although they look at porn, will chastise others for doing the same as it is a shameful sin
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
19316 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 10:00 am to
If you listen to many women, the site should just require you to correctly answer the question “Where is a woman’s clitoris?”
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23022 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 10:02 am to
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I had to show my ID at 60 y/o to buy a lottery ticket today.



Did they make a photocopy and/or enter all you PII into a database?
That's the issue here. If you flash your ID to buy alcohol or tobacco, go into clubs, buy lottery tickets, the person visually checks your age (and makes sure it's a reasonable likeness). They don't take a snapshot of your ID and enter it into record, allowing someone to potentially track every time you do so. Nobody wants to be tracked doing something legal. If you voluntarily want to announce or record that you do something, that's your right.

Just a little perspective here; in the 90's for a little while I did security for a local bank. The manner of payment was that they opened an account for you, and deposited your check into that. One day, I overheard some employees gossiping about somebody, and who they wrote checks to/used debit card with. At that moment I became aware of the dangers of loss of privacy (and from there on out I immediately wrote a check for my full pay and put it in my credit union).

It sounds like a different issue, but you see intrusions into privacy all the time now. Doctors asking if you own firearms, streaming services asking about your gender, shite like that. My point of view is it's nobody's business but your own, and it's between you and God (if you so believe) what you legally do in private.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16851 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 10:04 am to
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Louisiana has this ID law and there have been no attempts to do anything like you say.

Don’t worry, La DMV has your data protected…. Oh wait
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78336 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 10:49 am to
None of that has to do with freedom of speech which it appears was the basis of the judge's ruling.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31761 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:13 am to
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None of that has to do with freedom of speech which it appears was the basis of the judge's ruling.


But it does.

Most conservatives are, rightly, aggressively opposed to firearm registration laws because they, rightly, view that as having a chilling effect on the exercise of a constitutional right.

If the burdens placed on accessing or distributing certain forms of speech are deemed to have a chilling effect, then it’s a potential constitutional violation.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
7162 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:24 am to
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just to be clear, you’re for children having unfettered access to porn?


That’s a false equivalency if I’ve ever seen one.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31761 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:38 am to
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That’s a false equivalency if I’ve ever seen one.


Yup. It’s just as stupid as someone saying they support religious liberty and then someone accusing them of being in favor of child sacrifice.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:45 am to
This should not affect Louisiana residents at all. The State is too busy selling all our information to the hackers directly already.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298087 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:46 am to
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See above post. Everyone does it but Louisiana and America has a big religious crowd that although they look at porn, will chastise others for doing the same as it is a shameful sin


Porn is harmful and destructive for children. shite, it is for adults.

While I think the law is misguided just a bit, I don't understand the pushback regarding the harmful nature of porn.

Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59227 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:50 am to
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That’s a false equivalency if I’ve ever seen one.

ok. are you an anarchist? because if not, you support government oversight and control
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 11:51 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31761 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:59 am to
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ok. are you an anarchist? because if not, you support government oversight and control


Well done doubling up on the false dichotomies
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14549 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 12:03 pm to
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While I think the law is misguided just a bit, I don't understand the pushback regarding the harmful nature of porn.

Something along the lines of: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
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