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Counting COVID hospitalizations
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:07 pm
I know it’s been discussed before but the numbers being reported each day are meaningless. My dad was hospitalized on Friday because of a medical condition acting up and had to have a COVID test per protocol. The test came back positive and they told him he would be counted as a COVID hospitalization. They told him it’s semantics... “hospitalized with COVID” is what’s reported, not “hospitalized FOR COVID.”
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Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:08 pm to Tboy13
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Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:11 pm to Tboy13
... what the problem dude?
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:19 pm to Tboy13
Yeah, and how many of the "hospitalized" are really just nursing home patients who are being parked until they can get their multiple negative tests and be sent back to the nursing home?
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:22 pm to SloaneRanger
My Grandpas nursing home has a Covid hall
They are only sent to hospital if they need ICU care
They recently had a “spike” in cases, from 20ish to 40, which was probably spread by employee cross contamination
They are only sent to hospital if they need ICU care
They recently had a “spike” in cases, from 20ish to 40, which was probably spread by employee cross contamination
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:31 pm to Tboy13
Not sure what the problem with this is, if they are even classifying these cases differently?
Hospitals evidently have to take a lot more precautionary measures for Covid positive patients (not to even mention diligence for the chance that Covid may complicate their treatment for whatever else is wrong.)
They would certainly need a clear record of those cases.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:36 pm to wm72
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Not sure what the problem with this is
To me, it’s perception. If someone goes in for knee surgery and happen to test positive while asymptomatic, it’s apparently still going to be presented as “hospitalized for coronavirus” by the media and government. I understand the hospitals taking more precautions, etc. I don’t support the government using cases like these to push for another shut down.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:49 pm to Evil Little Thing
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To me, it’s perception. If someone goes in for knee surgery and happen to test positive while asymptomatic, it’s apparently still going to be presented as “hospitalized for coronavirus” by the media and government. I understand the hospitals taking more precautions, etc. I don’t support the government using cases like these to push for another shut down.
Seems the solution is better statistics though and not less.
I'm not a doctor but one wonders why in the world a hospital would even perform an elective surgery (like a knee surgery) for someone who is Covid positive? It would seem they'd just have them quarantine and get the surgery when they're negative.
I'd guess anyone hospitalized even though they are Covid positive is already someone with an issue that needs to be addressed immediately.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:52 pm to Tboy13
Well, they have to have him separated with other covid patients for the safety of the non-covid patients and the people taking care of them. So it makes sense to me.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:54 pm to Tboy13
It took Alabama two and a half months to figure out a way to report hospitalizations other than an entirely useless and inflammatory cumulative total that was "updated" multiple times a day. It took them longer to report recoveries, stating that the ADPH didn't like using the word "recovered" for Covid-19 patients.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:54 pm to wm72
My mom had surgery last week at OLOL
She was not tested, they only test if a fever is present, patient is symptomatic
Hospitals need the money & are ramping up elective procedures
My Dad was the only one allowed to visit & he was not able to stay overnight
She really needed someone to stay as nurses were short staffed & she had a lot of issues getting help when needed
She was not tested, they only test if a fever is present, patient is symptomatic
Hospitals need the money & are ramping up elective procedures
My Dad was the only one allowed to visit & he was not able to stay overnight
She really needed someone to stay as nurses were short staffed & she had a lot of issues getting help when needed
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:58 pm to Evil Little Thing
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I don’t support the government using cases like these to push for another shut down.
This!
My niece is an RN at Children's Hospital in NO and a covid test is required as part of their pre surgical protocol.
3% of kids undergoing surgery there test positive with no symptoms. There is a back log of surgeries and these positive tests/hospitalizations provide excellent fodder for the politicians and media trying to generate maximum fear, because Orange Man Bad!
Posted on 6/21/20 at 2:06 pm to Tboy13
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I know it’s been discussed before but the numbers being reported each day are meaningless. My dad was hospitalized on Friday because of a medical condition acting up and had to have a COVID test per protocol. The test came back positive
So, your dad is a carrier, but he shows no symptoms? Doesn’t sound meaningless at all, to me....
Posted on 6/21/20 at 2:12 pm to LSUJML
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She really needed someone to stay as nurses were short staffed
What med-surg floor was she on?
Posted on 6/21/20 at 2:20 pm to LSUJML
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My mom had surgery last week at OLOL
She was not tested, they only test if a fever is present, patient is symptomatic
That’s pretty reckless of OLOL. We still don’t allow any visitors yet either. Only exception is one parent for the pediatric and NICU and 1 support person allowed in labor and delivery.
All patients having surgeries at my hospital are tested first. If they test positive and it is not an emergent case....their surgery is cancelled and will be rescheduled later on.
We have also taken more stringent protocols in our ORs as well for trauma and emergent surgeries that can’t wait for the 45 minutes for the test results to come back.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 2:24 pm to LSUJML
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My mom had surgery last week at OLOL
She was not tested, they only test if a fever is present, patient is symptomatic
Again, I'm not a health official or doctor but it kind of floors me that some hospitals would actually be admitting patients without Covid tests.
Not even considering the risk to other patients wouldn't the presence of Covid even potentially change the type medication prescribed for recovery from a surgery?
And/or make a difference in whether a surgery that further burdens the immune system is even the right option while infected with Covid?
This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 2:37 pm to Tboy13
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“hospitalized with COVID” is what’s reported, not “hospitalized FOR COVID.”
Dumb question, but are there not categories for these two obviously different situations? I'm assuming no b/c the hospitals all want federal incentives for meeting the rona quota, but still...
Posted on 6/21/20 at 2:45 pm to wm72
One thing that many people don’t know about the test:
Even though you’re positive, doesn’t mean you’re contagious. The Covid test is only looking for Covid RNA (genetic material from the virus). This RNA can be present in the lungs/throat/nose long after the virus is gone. They’re seeing positive tests in some patients for up to 2 months after onset of symptoms.
That is why checking symptoms is so important. If you’re positive with no symptoms or your symptoms have improved, there’s a very very low chance you can infect someone.
As for how hospitals should handle things, I’ll leave it up to them to decide protocol. They’ll know better than us, but I can see how Medicare/medicade money for Covid patients will cause them to be liberal with how they handle/report Covid positive patients.
Even though you’re positive, doesn’t mean you’re contagious. The Covid test is only looking for Covid RNA (genetic material from the virus). This RNA can be present in the lungs/throat/nose long after the virus is gone. They’re seeing positive tests in some patients for up to 2 months after onset of symptoms.
That is why checking symptoms is so important. If you’re positive with no symptoms or your symptoms have improved, there’s a very very low chance you can infect someone.
As for how hospitals should handle things, I’ll leave it up to them to decide protocol. They’ll know better than us, but I can see how Medicare/medicade money for Covid patients will cause them to be liberal with how they handle/report Covid positive patients.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 2:46 pm to Tboy13
Icu numbers would be what's important, because that's what becomes the finite resource.
The asymptomatic covids don't matter honestly
The asymptomatic covids don't matter honestly
Posted on 6/21/20 at 2:56 pm to Lestradamus
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As for how hospitals should handle things, I’ll leave it up to them to decide protocol. They’ll know better than us, but I can see how Medicare/medicade money for Covid patients will cause them to be liberal with how they handle/report Covid positive patients.
Well overstating cases/deaths for financial incentives is fricked up to the highest level if you ask me. Not to mention it has a domino effect on businesses with how the media paints the pandemic.
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