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re: Cost to buy = $2,700/month. Cost to rent = $1,850/month

Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:28 pm to
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just chill below the poverty line for a while, sleep, work, and merely exist. ??








Posted by 94LSU
Member since May 2023
981 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:28 pm to
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2)Inflation actually helps current mortgage holders, simply because while the rest of the market keeps inflating, that mortgage payment stays the same assuming you have a fixed rate mortgage.


What happens to that equity when the value of the home decreases? Poof! That's what.
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7133 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:37 pm to
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Back them, we and all our friends were buying 1300-1500 square foot homes that were 20 plus years old.

For all intents and purposes, these don't exist today.

If they do, it's in a terrible area of town and a potentially big loss.



That's not true where I live and I bet it's not in other places as well. Of course, if you want the best schools and the nicest neighborhoods, you will pay a premium. I can think of multiple neighborhoods in the Cypress, TX area that are older...building in the 50s and 60s where the houses are smaller and obviously not as nice. They have decent schools, but not the absolute best in the area. They are not crime infested hoods. But they mostly have older people living in them and in addition, there are quite a few rent houses. I would live there. I might not live there with a high school or middle school kid. I'd even live there with an elementary school kid.

There are also older neighborhoods near recently gentrified areas. They also are borderline. However, I consider all these places "starter" homes. It's not expected that you'll be there in 5-7 years when your kids are in school. They are simply an entry into the market.

I've seen a few of my son's friends by these. These guys bought them while they were single. They were cheaper and not as nice. But they have gone up in value.

A really lot of new home buyers are not willing to do this. A lot also don't want fixer uppers. You cannot have it all, but I find that a lot of people now expect to do so.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37747 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:39 pm to
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They'll never understand bc it didn't happen to them. In their mind, its a right of passage that they had to go through themselves which couldn't be farther from the truth



Oh cry me a fricking river. People like you act as if you're the first one to have your experience. Every generation has its challenges. You just think you're special cause its happening to you. Get over yourself.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26041 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:39 pm to
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There are pros to renting vs. buying:
1. Maintenance. You aren't forking out $15k for a brand new A/C unit when the one in your apartment goes out. Appliances are generally newer and will also be upgraded if something goes out, at the expense of the landlord.
2. Basic upkeep of the house (minor fixes, lawncare, etc.) are generally paid by the landlord.

Be honest.
Who is really paying for these things?
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You are not having to worry about resale on your "investment" because you can search for a new property in the future.

There are definitely acquisition and unloading expenses with buying/selling.

So a stone that gathers no moss will definitely benefit from renting.

But there are 1000s of stories of people buying a home and having tens of thousands of dollars of equity (even on top of those expenses) within 2 years.
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Rates are dog shite right now. Why would someone lock into a 7%+ interest rate for the foreseeable future? You can rent now, take a hit on equity, and make it back later on. There's no reason to rush into buying a house, especially when value and interest rates are bound to drop.

You aren't wrong.
But you are talking about timing the market.
It isn't that easy.
How many people kept money on the sidelines the past 15 years and waited too long to get back in the game. It isn't any different with real estate.
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2450 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:43 pm to
I'm saying the last administration had the economy booming. Decreased regulations and govt overreach encourages businesses to invest in their industry. And when that happens, we all win.

But if the govt stifles industries and manufactures with red tape and unnecessary regs, we get no growth. And when our govt hands out "free" money, companies are going to raise the cost of goods and services because the "free" money recipients will pay it.

Of course there is much more to it than this but surely you don't think we are better off now with this brain dead President in office.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
73271 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:47 pm to
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This gets overstated way too much regarding 2006-2009.

Every loan was at risk of foreclosure back then because households were severely unemployed or underemployed.

It doesn't matter if you put 20% down-payment, had an 800 credit score, and did a Fannie loan... if you are unemployed/underemployed for a year, the bills are going to get sketchy and that includes the home loan.

So long as employment is strong, there won't be a significant burst to the housing bubble. But if employment hits a profound change, inflation and all of the 2 working households are going to feel the hurt that much quicker this time.


People like you and me have seen this movie before. We warn them, they don't listen. They mock us. But you and me, we know. We are prepared.

Ultimately, if housing is unaffordable it is the boomers' fault. If the housing market crashes, it's also boomers' fault.

Nobody wants personal responsibility. I don't want personal responsibility. But it is a fact of life.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138141 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:51 pm to
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There are plenty of statistics that I’ve posted before that put this into perspective, but I like what one poster said earlier: “they view it as a right of passage”. They absolutely did have to work to get where they are and have what they have, but they can’t accept that it’s harder.

Yep, not only do they see it as a right of passage, they also love to gate-keep. They love telling the tales of how many hours they put it, but they conveniently leave out the fact that they were fairly compensated for it as well. They want the kids coming out of college to get shite wages, bust their asses, and get nothing for it because they don't want to share in the profits they make by being at the top.
Posted by NolaLovingClemsonFan
Member since Jan 2020
2071 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:52 pm to
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The cost of land and development doesn't really allow for developers to do much in the size range anymore. I built a 14-lot subdivision prior to 2008 where I built 1400 sq ft homes. No way would that be possible today and be as profitable as it was then. Codes concerning roads, drainage, etc have all raised the cost of development.


This is the biggest issue one mentions anymore. There’s just not a middle class home construction market anymore. You can’t get a nice 2,500 SF home. The only thing that’s built are cheap townhomes and large premium homes. It’s totally stratified the home market IMO.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26041 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:54 pm to
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The only thing that’s built are cheap townhomes

But there are cheap townhomes?

Maybe further out in the country, you can find those 1800 sf homes. They may be older. But they are probably out there.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466728 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:58 pm to
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I can think of multiple neighborhoods in the Cypress, TX area that are older...building in the 50s and 60s where the houses are smaller and obviously not as nice

These houses aren't built today. Like you said, they were built in the 50s and 60s. They haven't been built for 15+ years now.

If you're looking at new construction in the 1300-1500 square foot range, and it's not in a hyper urban area, it's likely a section 8 development.

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But they mostly have older people living in them and in addition, there are quite a few rent houses.

Guess what is going to happen over the next 10-20 years.

You're literally posting all the warning signs. Hence my comment on the potential for a big loss.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466728 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:00 pm to
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Ultimately, if housing is unaffordable it is the boomers' fault. If the housing market crashes, it's also boomers' fault.

Well the Boomers are the generation who have been/are in power manipulating the levers on the economy causing all of this.

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Nobody wants personal responsibility.

Nobody wants to admit when they've gotten lucky and have been given advantages in addition to their personal responsibility, either, it seems.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59116 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:03 pm to
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I would live there. I might not live there with a high school or middle school kid. I'd even live there with an elementary school kid.
this isn’t personal because I get it, but this mindset is so bleak to me.

Having to move around and not being able to put down roots because of schools (in the suburbs)? No wonder there is a ridiculous lack of community and a mental health crisis in this country. Not how we are supposed to live.

But again, I get it. You have to do what’s best for you.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 2:04 pm
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7133 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:04 pm to
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If you're looking at new construction in the 1300-1500 square foot range, and it's not in a hyper urban area, it's likely a section 8 development.

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But they mostly have older people living in them and in addition, there are quite a few rent houses.

Guess what is going to happen over the next 10-20 years.

You're literally posting all the warning signs. Hence my comment on the potential for a big loss.


If people were willing to buy these houses instead of expecting new construction...but they aren't. I see these houses for sale. They take longer to sell because everyone wants the new and pretty. Why does everyone need new construction? Answer...they don't!
Posted by Xenophon
Aspen
Member since Feb 2006
42629 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:04 pm to
It will last until Blackstone, Blackrock, etc have bought up a large chunk of single family homes. Because they aren’t paying 7%.

Then everyone will be renting from an investment firm.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59116 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:05 pm to
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Nobody wants personal responsibility
my biggest financial mistake was not buying a house while I was in middle school
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:07 pm to
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If people were willing to buy these houses instead of expecting new construction...but they aren't. I see these houses for sale. They take longer to sell because everyone wants the new and pretty. Why does everyone need new construction? Answer...they don't!


They end up in new construction because the old stuff in a good part of town costs the same, or more.

Or

Its in murderland and a more expensive new house is worth it for the schools and not getting crimed upon.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40313 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:08 pm to
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I see these houses for sale. They take longer to sell because everyone wants the new and pretty


In all likelihood they have a ton of deferred repairs and maintenance needed while not being all that much cheaper than the “new construction”

Queue the worn out discussion about how no one these days is willing to put in the sweat equity on nights and weekends to turn a piece of shite into a decent place.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179640 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:13 pm to
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Queue the worn out discussion about how no one these days is willing to put in the sweat equity on nights and weekends to turn a piece of shite into a decent place.



It's pretty true, though.

I just bought a flip that is a 12-year-old house that had storm damage but the people walked away from finishing the repairs on. It doesn't need a lot to finish up. A house 3 lots down that has been repaired was bought by a young couple that looked at both houses and didn't want to bother with the repairs. They could have saved $90K if they had motivation.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
73271 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:13 pm to
All the older 1200 sq ft ranch homes in hip in-city neighborhoods aren't being bought up by boomers, they are being bought and gentrified by older mill's with money. But it's still the boomers' fault that you can't live in the house you want to live in.
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