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re: Cost Of Life-Saving EpiPen Injectors Soars To $700 A Set

Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63887 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:51 pm to
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President should issue an executive order capping the price here at $50.
People that want presidents with this kind of power are a lot more dangerous than pharmaceutical companies.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:51 pm to
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Price controls are not "over regulation."


Yes they are.

So are the regulations that protect Mylan from competition.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:52 pm to
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And only do it in cases of price gouging.


As determined by who?

Profit is not the driving force behind R&D. Absurd profit is the driving force.
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:53 pm to
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People that want presidents with this kind of power are a lot more dangerous than pharmaceutical companies.


This is not CLOSE to the truth. Gouging capitalist scumbags are the true scourge creating our ridiculous income inequality. Price controls are a simple and effective tool.

But, I'm not going to argue any more because I clearly am 100% correct on this issue.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41609 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:53 pm to
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It's certainly true that FDA approval is sort of like having a goverment-granted monopoly. This could be addressed in much the same way we do with utilities - require that prices also get approval.

Of course, that has its own set of problems, such as regulatory capture. And let's face it, the government is not always very good at determining what is best for the consumer.


This could work if this regulatory price setting panel was made up of actual professionals and experts in the field. Utility regulation (at least in LA) is made up of elected officials who get huge campaign contributions from the companies they are regulate.

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Another alternative is to simply stop requiring FDA approval. Then prices could adjust far more rapidly. Of course then people would scream that we need government oversight to prevent dangerous products from getting out there.


There has to be a way to have effective, efficient review of products before they reach the market. Maybe use some sort of peer review process as opposed to heavy handed government control.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41812 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:54 pm to
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Price controls are not "over regulation."

One rule "Can't sell for more than $x."

And only do it in cases of price gouging.


Government dictating what a business can or can't sell its products for isn't over regulation?

And I'm not entirely sure you understand what price gouging is and what causes it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:54 pm to
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Gouging capitalist scumbags are the true scourge creating our ridiculous income inequality. Price controls are a simple and effective tool.


Yet, you can't see increased competition as a better solution.
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:54 pm to
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Profit is not the driving force behind R&D. Absurd profit is the driving force.


This has ZERO to do with "r and d." If "r and d" costs were an issue, they would have charged more at the onset then reduced the price as they recovered their r and d investment. This went in reverse, so it definitely and undeniably and unequivocally was "lets see how much we can force people to pay."
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:54 pm to
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Don't attack the messenger.




If the messenger had his or her facts straight, he or she could make a much more compelling claim. When your claims are refuted with minimal effort, whatever shred of truth they had is going to be ignored. Again, the truth is bad enough in this case, so there is no need to exaggerate.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:56 pm to
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yoga girl

still waiting on that email
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41609 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:56 pm to
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Oh I know it will, but I'd imagine the EpiPen is a drop in the bucket compared to other cost drivers.


I'm sure it is... but this is just one example. Add up tons of other examples out there and here we go.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68233 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:56 pm to
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Sounds like it's time for a different company to come in and sell the epipen at a more reasonable price. That would be capitalism working.


exactly
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:56 pm to
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Government dictating what a business can or can't sell its products for isn't over regulation?

And I'm not entirely sure you understand what price gouging is and what causes it.


A price control doesn't tell a business what it can or can't sell. It keeps that business from price gouging.

I wouldn't object to a windfall profits tax either.

Time to rein in the obscenely wealthy and give back to those who don't have all the opportunities (or influence).
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:57 pm to
post your email again and I'll send you one right now (but I did send one to you, as you recall, I posted a screenshot).

Posted by SCndaBR
BR
Member since Dec 2015
517 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:58 pm to
I bought some in May, and paid $0. Insurance covered them 100%. So I'm confused as to what or no insurance are they using.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41609 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:58 pm to
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This is not CLOSE to the truth. Gouging capitalist scumbags are the true scourge creating our ridiculous income inequality. Price controls are a simple and effective tool.

But, I'm not going to argue any more because I clearly am 100% correct on this issue.


I don't want the PRESIDENT to have that kind of EXECUTIVE POWER to order price controls on medicines. That would be a scary exercise.

I have no issues whatsoever with Congress putting together a comprehensive bill that addresses medical prices in this country, signed by the president, and enacted with meaningful, clear regulation. I would support that type of effort.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4416 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:58 pm to
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Another alternative is to simply stop requiring FDA approval.


This would be a disaster. The FDA provides more help than harm. And this is coming from someone who works for Big Pharma.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80807 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:58 pm to
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I didn't read the whole thread but has anyone mentioned adereject as an alternative to epi pen?


No, adrenaject has not been mentioned. There appear to be two additional alternatives as well.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:59 pm to
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Time to rein in the obscenely wealthy and give back to those who don't have all the opportunities (or influence).


How do you know increased competition wouldn't drive the price down to about $20 a dose?
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:59 pm to
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I don't want the PRESIDENT to have that kind of EXECUTIVE POWER to order price controls on medicines. That would be a scary exercise.



I have way more trust in President Obama than I would congress.
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