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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:55 am to Poker_hog
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:55 am to Poker_hog
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Yep. Corona has pushed us much further along the socialism path than Bernie ever would have.
Socialized medicine is one of the primary reasons Italy's elderly population is being decimated right now.
The media isn't going to discuss that though.
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:57 am to frankthetank
23 doctors in Italy have died due to coronavirus...
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19 of the 23 deceased doctors worked in the Lombardy region, the worst affected by coronavirus. The other four worked in Naples (Ssuth Italy), Emilia Romagna (north Italy) and Marche (central Italy)
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According to the latest report by the Institute published on Sunday, the number of health workers infected by coronavirus is 4,824
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:00 am to RB10
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The low end says 1.5% of confirmed cases will require hospitalization. You just said it yourself.
That’s a disaster if the infected number climbs.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:03 am to Antonio Moss
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That’s a disaster if the infected number climbs.
Maybe, maybe not. What I see is a perfect incubator for the virus resulting in a 1.5% hospitalization rate among the most at risk populace.
That's a good thing.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:04 am to Antonio Moss
Climbs to what?
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:09 am to RB10
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So doomsday preppers are the one's telling us all the apocalypse has arrived?
Breaking: saving money and having enough to eat is considered doomsday prepping!
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 10:09 am
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:11 am to shawnlsu
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Breaking: saving money and having enough to eat is considered doomsday prepping!
How about voluntarily shutting down your small business?
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:17 am to RB10
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How about voluntarily shutting down your small business?
Or in some camps, doing what our elected officials and experts are advising us to do?
Do you need to jerk off or something? Seriously, go thump your chest, feed the gease and get back to us when you're ready to have a discussion vs being dead set on being RIGHT.
Is there anything to gain in bashing people and being this focused on being able to say "I told you so" in 2-3 months? Legit don't understand why people get such a hard on for this.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:18 am to RB10
Perhaps he has a condition or has family at home that getting the coronavirus would be a bad thing? Not everybody can be as selfish as you.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:18 am to STLhog
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Or in some camps, doing what our elected officials and experts are advising us to do?
His business was supposedly deemed essential. The government and officials are therefore advising him to keep the business open.
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Do you need to jerk off or something? Seriously, go thump your chest, feed the gease and get back to us when you're ready to have a discussion vs being dead set on being RIGHT.
I'm sorry that slapping you in the face with reality is so bothersome. Truly, I am. You can retreat back into your bubble at any time.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:21 am to slacker00
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Perhaps he has a condition or has family at home that getting the coronavirus would be a bad thing? Not everybody can be as selfish as you.
The virus is currently directly affecting roughly .005% of the population. The fallout from the economical impact of the reaction is affecting 100% of it.
Tell me who's being selfish again?
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 10:22 am
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:22 am to RB10
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The virus is currently directly affecting roughly .005% of the population. The fallout from the economical impact of the reaction is affecting 100% of it.
Tell me who's being selfish again?
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:22 am to slacker00
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Perhaps he has a condition or has family at home that getting the coronavirus would be a bad thing? Not everybody can be as selfish as you.
Shouldn't need to share but my MIL is a cancer survivor as well as a transplant recipient. Her immune system is medically suppressed to keep her body from rejecting her transplanted organ.
It's not about you, its about your neighbor and family.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:23 am to shawnlsu
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Shouldn't need to share but my MIL is a cancer survivor as well as a transplant recipient. Her immune system is medically suppressed to keep her body from rejecting her transplanted organ.
It's not about you, its about your neighbor and family.
My stepfather recovered from liver failure just last year. His immune system is severely compromised from the complications. Everyone has sick family members. We don't all lose our minds over it though.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 10:25 am
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:24 am to TheCaterpillar
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Extreme 1: A soulless robot is in charge and makes the most pragmatic decision, it re-opens everything, culls the herd of the weak and those that are "takers" (social security/medicare), and lets the economy explode in record fashion.
We were just discussing this yesterday. If the anecdotal evidence that says those put on ventilators are not coming off of them, it seems like some tough decisions may be required as we move forward. US medicine is not programmed to think like this though; it will take some major reprogramming if we are going to shift away from doing all we can to save everyone, no matter the cost or likelihood of success. Honestly, the thought of this is somewhat frightening.
I'd love to hear opinions from actual human doctors on this. The discussion we had was among veterinary professionals who are a bit more pragmatic by nature.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:27 am to MadDogs
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he discussion we had was among veterinary professionals who are a bit more pragmatic by nature.
Which by nature, should not come at a surprise.
I think the point is that its fair to have that discussion but its far too early to assume we as a collective species can make that decision given what we know/don't know.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:31 am to STLhog
This is a great article about hospital bed capacity in Louisiana. Probably been posted, but worth posting again. You can see why it makes sense that we need to do everything we can to slow the spread enough to get hospitals everything they need.
https://www.nola.com/news/article_80fab3c6-6b8f-11ea-b2fc-cb0f33fb6cc0.html
https://www.nola.com/news/article_80fab3c6-6b8f-11ea-b2fc-cb0f33fb6cc0.html
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:32 am to RB10
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The virus is currently directly affecting roughly .005% of the population. The fallout from the economical impact of the reaction is affecting 100% of it.
Tell me who's being selfish again?
This is a fair argument but being in the hospital, losing a loved one or not being able to get the care you need for another injury isn't the same as losing your job, having your 401k slump etc.
These measures are likely extreme but with all of the unknowns, its simply human nature to over react as a collective.
As this drags on and the real impacts of the economy become apparent, the strategy will most def. be adjusted.
But presuming that the collective government will just say "frick it, let it take its toll with no action for the sake of the economy" in the short term is just ludicrous and naive. Even if it is the "right" thing to do.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 10:37 am
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:33 am to MadDogs
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We were just discussing this yesterday. If the anecdotal evidence that says those put on ventilators are not coming off of them, it seems like some tough decisions may be required as we move forward. US medicine is not programmed to think like this though; it will take some major reprogramming if we are going to shift away from doing all we can to save everyone, no matter the cost or likelihood of success. Honestly, the thought of this is somewhat frightening.
I'd love to hear opinions from actual human doctors on this. The discussion we had was among veterinary professionals who are a bit more pragmatic by nature.
FOX News will call it death panels. MSNBC will call it heartless insurance companies. And round and round we'll go.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:35 am to Jim Rockford
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FOX News will call it death panels. MSNBC will call it heartless insurance companies. And round and round we'll go.
Sounds like a shite ton of clicks to me.
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