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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:26 pm to
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:26 pm to
You act like a novel virus Has never existed until this one. As if it something super special that we have to freak out over. Over the last 300 years dozens of these have existed and only one, the Spanish flu, killed more than 2 million people WORLD WIDE.

So stop with the hysterics and fear mongering.
Posted by CHiPs25
Member since Apr 2014
3120 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:27 pm to
What happens if the coronavirus infects someone with flu? Could this create a superbug?
Posted by SaintsandTigers
Member since Feb 2020
461 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:28 pm to
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This is dumb. We've created vaccines for most and have decades-long immunities built up by this point. This is a NOVEL virus strain, aka NEW. If the common flu viruses were new starting this December we'd be doing the same.

If you could go back and limit social gatherings for a few weeks and close some businesses and schools to eradicate the flu before it becomes an annual epidemic, you absolutely do that.

What we're doing now could potentially be stopping another epidemic in it's tracks that would only ADD ON to the already deadly flu season that keeps hospitals busy enough. That's worth the slight inconvenience you face from not being able to watch sports on TV for a few weeks or go to a St. Patrick's day parade.

Why does this continually have to be explained to the same 2-3 dense posters over and over? shite.



You are not addressing our point

If during the winter, you cancelled all social gatherings and school, would you not agree it would lower flu deaths and hospitalizations? Would it not lower viral pneumonia deaths and hospitalizations? Simple question
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 8:29 pm
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15299 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:28 pm to
1st case in Alaska! Was a foreign national travelling through the airport in Anchorage. Although state is saying it was very isolated so they dont think there will be an outbreak here from it!
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 8:30 pm
Posted by truthbetold
Member since Aug 2008
7637 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:29 pm to
Coronavirus is a common noun. COVID-19 is a proper noun, boss.
Posted by RazorBroncs
Possesses the largest
Member since Sep 2013
16212 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:30 pm to
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You are not addressing our point 

If during the winter, you cancelled all social gatherings and school, would you not agree it would lower fli deaths and hospitalizations? Simple question


You're not absorbing mine - or anyone else's - point.

It's too late to stop the flu, it's not too late to stop this. It's early enough and few enough cases that it's actually within reach of managing and eventually eradicating with the right measures.
Posted by Jazzyjoker
SW LA
Member since Feb 2009
565 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:32 pm to
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You act like a novel virus Has never existed until this one. As if it something super special that we have to freak out over. Over the last 300 years dozens of these have existed and only one, the Spanish flu, killed more than 2 million people WORLD WIDE. So stop with the hysterics and fear mongering.



Try closer to 50 million

Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61454 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:32 pm to
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during the winter, you cancelled all social gatherings and school, would you not agree it would lower fli deaths and hospitalizations? Simple question
potentially
Posted by SaintsandTigers
Member since Feb 2020
461 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:32 pm to
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It's too late to stop the flu
True

But why wouldn’t we cancel silly things like basketball games, music festivals, and parades to help lower the death total and hospitalization rate?
Posted by SaintsandTigers
Member since Feb 2020
461 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:33 pm to
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potentially
So why aren’t we doing that annually?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86244 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:34 pm to
It’s pretty common for schools to close when the flu breaks out

My daughters school closed for 3 days this year due to the flu
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61454 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:34 pm to
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too late to stop the flu, it's not too late to stop this. It's early enough and few enough cases that it's actually within reach of managing and eventually eradicating with the right measures.
i don’t think this argument is accurate.

I do think that this thing is more deadly than the flu. While both low overall this one can overwhelm our systems. We don’t want to ration care
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:34 pm to
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Likely a specialist shooting for grant money.


Dude was a surgical oncologist who allegedly was advising the NCAA and SXSW.

No wonder people are getting screwy advice.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61454 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:35 pm to
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So why aren’t we doing that annually?
because our Heath are system is designed to care for the annual uptick. This really is that simple.
Posted by SaintsandTigers
Member since Feb 2020
461 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:35 pm to
quote:

It’s pretty common for schools to close when the flu breaks out

My daughters school closed for 3 days this year due to the flu
True, for communities with outbreaks

But why, as a nation, don’t we take the approach starting every November to cancel silly sports, parades, and concerts etc?


Posted by SaintsandTigers
Member since Feb 2020
461 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:36 pm to
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because our Heath are system is designed to care for the annual uptick. This really is that simple.


Ok. So you, like me, are ok with not taking those extra steps to lower the amount of deaths
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86244 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:38 pm to
because, as you have been told numerous times already, we have vaccines for the flu, the mortality rate is far lower, and we have the capacity to handle sick patients

It’s a silly point you are trying to make and you have been trying to make it for days now
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 8:39 pm
Posted by SaintsandTigers
Member since Feb 2020
461 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:39 pm to
It’s not a silly point

I am proving y’all are all too afraid to simply say you are willing to accept the current death rate of the annual flu. You are willing to accept the current measures we are taking to keep the rate where it’s at
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 8:40 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:39 pm to
Something I still can’t wrap my head around is how Italy has an outbreak of this size but there was no other hotspot in mainland China.

How does the providence next door from Hubei not get crushed too? There has to be 100x more travel between Hubei and the next providence than Hubei and Italy.

Are we going with China is lying? That would be pretty thought to cover up. People like Honkus are communicating with family there.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61454 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 8:40 pm to
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Ok. So you, like me, are ok with not taking those extra steps to lower the amount of deaths

look man. People die. The flu is brutal. But we have shown an ability to keep the death rate low and care for the most fragile. This thing could produce many more critical, medically complex patients. And if it means you don’t go to the CWS so some people don’t get told that they aren’t valuable enough to use limited resources on, then I am ok.

The two things can’t be looked at as you continually, repeatedly, incessantly do.
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 8:47 pm
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