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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:38 pm to
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:38 pm to
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Which afflicted country does our healthcare system most resemble in your opinion? I'm assume general resources, bed/vent capacity are the most important things we need to properly deal with it?
We have more critical care beds/equipment per 100,000 citizens than any other nation, by far.
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:38 pm to
.02%
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:39 pm to
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Diamond Princess passengers that mentioned OVER 35% of covid19 cases are asymptomatic and are likely to never be found.


....not a good thing.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:39 pm to
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This is exactly the shite Dr RC was referring to in this analogy.




Remember to keep your distance folks!
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21644 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:40 pm to
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BREAKING: British member of parliament Nadine Dorries has tested positive for coronavirus - The Times
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:40 pm to
Occupancy rate is about the same. It doesn’t matter how many we have vs them if both of us hover at the same occupancy rate.

Those other patients don’t stop being sick because coronavirus exists
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5645 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:40 pm to
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At one time it was thought that cardiovascular disease came into play with regards to severity of infection. Is that still true?


It's always true that existing heart disease increases the risk of dying from other systemic problems, including infections and particularly pulmonary infections. The heart and lungs work together (cardio-pulmonary system) and if lung function is compromised it stresses the heart. If cardiac function or circulation is already marginal, it doesn't tolerate additional stress (like poor oxygenation or elevated pulmonary artery pressures) well.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 5:44 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88298 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:40 pm to
Excellent gif usage. 10/10
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:40 pm to
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I’m sorry, but are we seriously trying to turn Italy into a developing nation just for the low hanging fruit of being able to easily dismiss what’s happening there? 


Italy hasn't been first world for centuries dude
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
9230 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:41 pm to
There are several factors that may make Italy more vulnerable to the disease than the US.

1)they didn’t have an Italy before them. Even if the Italian situation only makes the US slightly more proactive than it otherwise would have been thats big

2) Italy is very old. Their average is 7 years older than the US

3)Italians smoke a lot more than Americans

4)Their healthcare is awesome, but their capacity is not. Particularly in light of how universal it is. They admit a lot more people than us hospitals do

5)population density. Not admittedly this isn’t the case for all of the US but it is for a lot. Europeans live in much closer quarters than Americans do, especially in cities.

6)culture. Italians in particular are very touchy in their everyday life. Kisses on the cheek between borderline strangers is not an uncommon way of greeting. Cafe culture is ubiquitous, especially at this time of year. It’s not uncommon for Italians to spend hours just sitting outside cafes with hundreds of other Italians eating, drinking, talking.

Or it could just be they’re two weeks ahead of us and we’ll look like them come the end of March.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61586 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:41 pm to
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BREAKING: British member of parliament Nadine Dorries has tested positive for coronavirus - The Times


age 62 LINK
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:42 pm to
Case reports showed a Myocarditis in severe patients with elevated troponins as an indicator for prognosis.

You can have that in your run of the mill sepsis patients so it’s unknown if this is anything above and beyond what you would normally see.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
38267 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:44 pm to
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People claiming that italy will not be an outlier are saying that we just need to wait for it to blow up other places like it did there.


That’s my point though. It has been in other major Western/rich countries for as long as it’s been in Italy and none of them have anywhere close to that level of community spread or death.

Are you saying that people believe it was someone in Italy before it was anywhere else? Because that is straight nonsense.

Common sense would dictate that the Asian nations and major Western countries would have been impacted at the exact same time period as the Italians from international travel.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
38267 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:45 pm to
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Their healthcare is awesome, but their capacity is not.


I understand that in an individual sense they have great healthcare. But in this type of situation, great healthcare with a very low capacity is not awesome and is not adequate.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53552 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:46 pm to
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Their lack of ICU beds in the effected regions is the main culprit.


Well I hope not because unless I’m mistaken, the US has fewer ICU beds per capita.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:47 pm to
We have more per capita but we occupy them just about the same.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6795 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:48 pm to
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....not a good thing.
Definitely not a good thing for nursing homes, assisted living facilities, and oncology clinics. These places need to be AGGRESSIVELY vetting the visitors and staff.

However, for Joe Public, the threat is not that severe. I stand by the initial prediction that this will be less deadly than H1N1 2009.

Remember median incubation period is 4-5 days. The cases in Washington have shown the virus was making the rounds there for six weeks. I don't see aisles full of dead bodies in Costco in Seattle.

What the public can do is stop acting like idiots and take precautions to protect those at high risk. As I said: nursing homes, assisted living facilities, and oncology clinics need to be AGGRESSIVELY vetting the visitors and staff.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:48 pm to
I agree with all of that
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:49 pm to
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I can't find the fricking link, but there was a paper put out recently about the Diamond Princess passengers that mentioned OVER 35% of covid19 cases are asymptomatic and are likely to never be found.


There would have to be a lot more than 35% to bring the numbers down to the level of the flu.

I’ve read that a lot of those patients were early on in the disease and eventually developed symptoms. You may be confusing that statistic with the ability of asymptomatic patients (before they eventually show symptoms) to infect others. That has been confirmed.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105900 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 5:49 pm to
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Italy hasn't been first world for centuries dude


Italy has the 8th largest GDP in the world. LINK
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