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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:41 pm to PubeCrab
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:41 pm to PubeCrab
I believe there is 0% chance we have "quarantine zones" in the US. I'm sure they could be useful, but I simply cannot imagine the US closing down a city.
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Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:42 pm to slackster
I think you are going to be surprised.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:46 pm to Ace Midnight
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But "quarantine zones" like something out of the movies? Less than 5%, IMHO.
Out of the movies? It’s happening all over China and other places in the world.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:47 pm to slackster
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I believe there is 0% chance we have "quarantine zones" in the US. I'm sure they could be useful, but I simply cannot imagine the US closing down a city.
I would agree with this. Quarantine is a containment measure and the world should be moving to mitigation measures. I'd be willing to bet that we will see mitigation measures in the US and, possibly, widespread. This would be closing of schools, limiting/canceling social gathers above a certain size, encouraging telework for those that can, etc. I'll also add, one can expect mitigation efforts in the US and not expect the apocalypse. These efforts will most likely be taken out of an abundance of caution and not because bodies or sitting out on the curb.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:49 pm to jennBN
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Regardless of if this virus is apocalyptic or mild cold symptoms, the impact is here. It will not take much to overwhelm the system on a good day. I think it is a fallacy that american hospitals can handle increased census in a short period of time. We also can't build a 1000 bed hospital in 10 days. Maybe containment is a lost cause and we should focus on only treating/admitting the most ill.
Even if that's true, there are numerous studies that suggest the ICU is often overused and unnecessary. Quite a few patients there will be fine in regular wards, if necessary. Once again, capacity, being overrun, is not and will not be an issue. (I don't believe moving a patient to another hospital = being overrun) Makes for a good headline nonetheless.
If someone can point me to a non-Wuhan area that has numbers that would overwhelm the US, I'd like to see it.
ETA - There are 151 serious cases in the rest of the damn world right now, and we're talking about overruning the US health care system.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:51 pm to rds dc
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This would be closing of schools, limiting/canceling social gathers above a certain size, encouraging telework for those that can, etc.
Exactly.
But I wouldn’t rule out something resembling a quarantine, nothing like China, if a high population density area gets very out of control.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:53 pm to DeltaDoc
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I think you are going to be surprised.
Doubt it.
Hell, we had 500,000+ kids in closed schools during the swine flu - no one would consider that a quarantine zone though.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:55 pm to slackster
I cant speak for the US but I can tell you that in this area triage measures to empty beds is a daily occurrence. And that has nothing to do with covid-19.
Today they moved a confirmed case from one hospital to another to try to deal with the influx.
Today they moved a confirmed case from one hospital to another to try to deal with the influx.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:57 pm to rds dc
More countries are moving to National Response Framework type structures and providing centralized updates on a set cycle vs just randomly sending out updates. The below is from BNO:
When countries release coronavirus updates:
- Italy: 12 p.m. ET
- China: 7 p.m. ET
- South Korea: 8 p.m. ET
- Mexico: 10 p.m. ET
- South Korea: 3 a.m. ET
- Iran: Around 3-6 a.m. ET
When countries release coronavirus updates:
- Italy: 12 p.m. ET
- China: 7 p.m. ET
- South Korea: 8 p.m. ET
- Mexico: 10 p.m. ET
- South Korea: 3 a.m. ET
- Iran: Around 3-6 a.m. ET
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:00 pm to rds dc
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FDA has made a series of moves that will allow for more labs to begin testing. It is estimated that the US capacity could be has high as 10,000 test a day in the next 7 - 10 days.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:01 pm to rds dc
Washington (State) is about to have a press conference/live update...
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:01 pm to DeltaDoc
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I think you are going to be surprised.
We have a president who is more worried about reelection and messaging than the health of his people. He'll do absolutely nothing that will create the perception that this outbreak is something we should be worried about.
I hate to get political, but unfortunately we're in a position where the US government cannot be trusted to provide accurate, reliable, and timely information regarding this potential pandemic. All messages from the CDC and NIH now must be approved by Mike Pence and Stephen Miller's new wife (no, she's not a doctor either). That's scary.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:02 pm to slackster
South China Morning Post
This is how the mortality rate can change very quickly when there aren’t enough resources. But because of their proactive testing they are identifying the hotspot in Deagu and send more beds and equipment there.
This is how the mortality rate can change very quickly when there aren’t enough resources. But because of their proactive testing they are identifying the hotspot in Deagu and send more beds and equipment there.
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South Korean authorities are scrambling to increase the number of hospital beds in Daegu to deal with the sudden escalation in coronavirus cases in the city, after a 74-year-old man died at home while waiting to be admitted to a hospital.
The man, who suffered from chronic kidney problems and had received a kidney transplant, started to complain of a slight fever last Saturday. Daegu health authorities monitored his condition by calling him twice a day.
He experienced serious respiratory difficulties early on Friday and died before he could be transported to a hospital, becoming the country’s 13th coronavirus death.
“We are sorry that the patient missed the chance to be admitted to hospital for treatment at the right time,” said deputy health minister Kim Gan-lip. “It is regretful that procedures for hospital admissions are not really keeping up with the fast discovery of new cases” in Daegu, he said.
Professor Kim Woo-joo at Korea University College of Medicine said South Korea could take advantage of its well-maintained indoor sports stadiums, job training centres and exhibition centres to turn them into temporary hospitals if the situation worsens.
Experts noted that South Korea has one of the world’s fastest methods to discover the virus among suspected cases and carries out about 5,000 tests every day, a far cry from other advanced countries such as Japan and the US.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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74-year-old
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The man, who suffered from chronic kidney problems and had received a kidney transplant,
This dude didn't have long regardless
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:05 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
That’s not really the point.
The cases are increasing exponentially and it’s already a problem.
The cases are increasing exponentially and it’s already a problem.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:07 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:Because that is a shitty thing for a leader to do about a virus that IS NOT dangerous for the vast majority of people.
He'll do absolutely nothing that will create the perception that this outbreak is something we should be worried about.
What kind of leader tells his people to freak out?
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I hate to get political, but unfortunately we're in a position where the US government cannot be trusted to provide accurate, reliable, and timely information regarding this potential pandemic. All messages from the CDC and NIH now must be approved by Mike Pence and Stephen Miller's new wife (no, she's not a doctor either). That's scary.
FWIW, both bush and Obama officials say it is perfectly normal and protocol for this type of system. It is to ensure everyone is on same page and incongruent messaging isn't relayed. Dr. Fauci already said today that he let pence know what he will say on the shows tomorrow and pence authorized every word.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Washington just reported 2 new cases. 1 was community spread, a teen who had symptoms while at school.
The other a women who recently traveled to South Korea.
The other a women who recently traveled to South Korea.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:08 pm to jennBN
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I cant speak for the US but I can tell you that in this area triage measures to empty beds is a daily occurrence. And that has nothing to do with covid-19.
Today they moved a confirmed case from one hospital to another to try to deal with the influx.
Good news is we're historically on the back end of peak flu season.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:08 pm to slackster
They could close down Slidell and nobody would even notice.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:10 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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This is how the mortality rate can change very quickly when there aren’t enough resources. But because of their proactive testing they are identifying the hotspot in Deagu and send more beds and equipment there.
There are 7 critical cases in all of South Korea. This sounds like an administrative issue more than an overrun ICU.
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