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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:22 pm to
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Can you link this? I’d like to see what the definition of medical visits is. Are we talking office visits?


Sure.

LINK

But I'll save you the trouble:

Total illnesses are estimated based on hospitalizations for flu like illnesses. Medical visits are then estimated from total illnesses. The method used there is based on the previous season's Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance Survey, which asks people whether or not they sought medical treatment for a flu like illness in the previous season.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:24 pm to
I think the Flu statistics are just as unreliable as the coronavirus statistics. You should read this article on the HHS website, it explains it well.

HHS.gov

quote:

Meanwhile, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), "influenza and pneumonia" took 62 034 lives in 2001—61 777 of which were attributed to pneumonia and 257 to flu, and in only 18 cases was flu virus positively identified. Between 1979 and 2002, NCHS data show an average 1348 flu deaths per year (range 257 to 3006). The NCHS data would be compatible with CDC mortality estimates if about half of the deaths classed by the NCHS as pneumonia were actually flu initiated secondary pneumonias. But the NCHS criteria indicate otherwise: "Cause-of-death statistics are based solely on the underlying cause of death... defined by WHO as `the disease or injury which initiated the train of events leading directly to death.'"


Coronavirus causes an acute viral pneumonia much different than Flu. This is demonstrated by unique findings on CT scan which are being used by some countries to make diagnoses. Flu can do that as well but it’s very uncommon.

The people dying from coronavirus aren’t dying of secondary bacterial pneumonias. Or at least no one has reported that.

quote:

David Rosenthal, director of Harvard University Health Services, said, "People don't necessarily die, per se, of the [flu] virus—the viraemia. What they die of is a secondary pneumonia. So many of these pneumonias are not viral pneumonias but secondary [pneumonias]."
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 12:38 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74236 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:32 pm to
Could it be possible that next week is a bit of a rebound for markets?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:32 pm to
I wish I could tell you but you are asking the wrong person

If it’s driven by fear I guess you would have to ask yourself when is the next time we will get good news?

And the fact that there will be other likely events that will trigger more fear that ultimately don’t change anything but are simply headline stories... first US death, WHO announcing pandemic, etc.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 12:35 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74236 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:34 pm to
It seems reassuring that factories are reopening in China
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:40 pm to
It is. I think people will calm down when they realize this won’t cause global shutdown. It will likely cause brief regional shutdowns to control localized outbreaks, but the economy and country can still function.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
11026 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

the "cook some delicious chicken in a red gravy

Mmmmm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53483 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:46 pm to
My money on a rebound is sometime in the week after next at the earliest.

I’m betting we’ve had community level transmission, and the floodgates opened Wednesday for broader testing, getting a higher level of freedom to test because they are going to start letting non fed labs test.

Also, next week enters the time table of when we should expect to start seeing American deaths.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:58 pm to
Yeah, even a small # of deaths will cause panic.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
13136 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:58 pm to
The morbidity rate is 2%. Its fear and hysteria wrecking economies, not the virus itself.

Only 2%! That is an astronomical number. Social Security is about to lose a lot of customers.
Posted by MikeyFL
Member since Sep 2010
10336 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:59 pm to
I see we're offering to send spies, I mean medical supplies, to Iran.
Posted by lsutiger2010
Member since Aug 2008
14790 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:13 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 7:13 am
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:17 pm to


All elderly deaths in Italy. That makes their numbers look less concerning.

My theory right now is this virus got to Italy and Iran very early and spread widely and you are seeing the worst cases present. I think South Korea was much more proactive and prepared for widespread testing that is identifying a more realistic amount of cases.
Posted by Poker_hog
Member since Mar 2019
3652 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:20 pm to
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All elderly deaths in Italy. That makes their numbers look less concerning.



Having a penis doubles your risk just like China.
Posted by Poker_hog
Member since Mar 2019
3652 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:24 pm to
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I don't know how things are by you, but aside from a crazy cousin, literally no one I know or in my community is talking about this.


The biggest concern I’m hearing is if it’s going to mess up summer vacations
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:28 pm to
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All elderly deaths in Italy. That makes their numbers look less concerning.


Which was my thought on an earlier page in the thread.

People are looking at totals instead of reading into the totals. The media isn't helping with this. Of course, with China and Iran we don't get the depth of reporting that we're getting from Italy or South Korea.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:29 pm to
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Having a penis doubles your risk just like China.


Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:34 pm to
In four days, 14 states are going to have primary voting on Super Tuesday. Given that the virus is much more deadly for older people, I wonder if older people are going to stay home at a higher rate, which would tip in Bernie’s favor.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13351 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:37 pm to
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The biggest concern I’m hearing is if it’s going to mess up summer vacations

In the international trade, logistics, and commodities business people have already cancelled their summer vacations. They're worried about an avalanche of bankruptcies throughout the supply chain that destroys hundreds of millions of jobs and causes a domino financial crisis.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87385 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:40 pm to
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It seems reassuring that factories are reopening in China



I don't think it says much about coronavirus, but it may be giving the world a roadmap to how not to let your economy crash while coronavirus spreads. In other words, it's here, people are going to get sick, it is what it is.

Now, whether or not that attitude has long term negative impacts - I don't know. It may be a useful one for avoiding systemic breakdown-level panic, however.
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