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Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:01 pm to GEAUXmedic
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:02 pm to slackster
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You're missing the point. Point is the seasonal flu is a far, far greater risk to the average American right now.
This obviously should be monitored, and for people affected it's a very real concern, but the risk to any person in America is essentially nil.
So we have a situation where the Chinese government took the unprecedented step to shut down travel in several cities (and the list is growing). We have what appears to be a nurse at ground zero making a claim that the number of cases is much higher than reported.
Officially the number of cases is around 1300 with 40 deaths. Number of cases has tripled today. We also have interviews with people from early December where the government was categorizing these deaths as something else... so the death count is likely higher.
I am not saying people should panic, but this should have people’s attention. This is nothing like the typical flu.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:04 pm to slackster
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The fatality is often severely overstated because the only confirmed cases are often the cases that require hospitalization.
Maybe. But we also know communist countries aren't exactly honest about thier failures. Bottom line is we don’t know an accurate infection or mortality rate. Worst case numbers are quite scary.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:05 pm to Poker_hog
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:08 pm to MikeyFL
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But it's a severe understatement to say that China is simply "worse." In fact, such moral equivalency arguments
How do you get “equivalence” from “worse?” 
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:09 pm to buckeye_vol
Because you're the one who brought up the Pentagon Papers.
Comparing Chinese corruption to American corruption is quite frankly absurd.
Comparing Chinese corruption to American corruption is quite frankly absurd.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:10 pm to slackster
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Think about this - in the US, if you're hospitalized with the flu, there is 10-15% chance you'll die.
Incomplete analogy... 1 out of 2000 people who get the flu are hospitalized in the US. Do you know the rate of hospitalization for this one? Even if it’s 1 out of 200, that would be a tenfold increase in flu mortality.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:14 pm to CivilTiger83
quote:They turned an innocuous tweet by an NBA GM that had gone relatively unnoticed, and would have gone completely unnoticed in China, into an international controversy. If that’s the kind of overreaction they have to their feelings getting hurt, which shouldn’t have even resulted in a reaction altogether, imagine their potential overreaction m to something that does require a legitimate and serious reaction.
So we have a situation where the Chinese government took the unprecedented step to shut down travel in several cities (and the list is growing).
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:15 pm to Jim Rockford
Doctor looks scared as hell. No idea wha he’s saying though
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:18 pm to CivilTiger83
quote:But people are far more likely to flood the hospitals in this case now that hysteria has set it.
1 out of 2000 people who get the flu are hospitalized in the US. Do you know the rate of hospitalization for this one?
So you can’t extrapolate the hospitalization and mortality rates pre-hysteria (more like the hospitalization of the flu here) to the hospitalization and mortality rates once hysteria sets in.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:18 pm to slackster
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The reality is likely that there are plenty of people who have it and don't require hospitalization, just like there is with the regular flu.
There is at least one significant difference between this and influenza. In this country a signficant portion of the high risk population is vaccinated against the flu. None of those people are vaccinated against this strain of coronavirus.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:19 pm to frankthetank
Zombies. This is how you get a zombie apocalypse.
Oh and it’s a biological attack what with that lab across the river
Oh and it’s a biological attack what with that lab across the river
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:19 pm to buckeye_vol
If China didn’t do anything everyone would be freaking out because China isn’t doing anything. Now that they are doing something everyone is freaking out because China is doing something.
China is one of the few countries that had the ability to quarantine this many people in this way.
China is one of the few countries that had the ability to quarantine this many people in this way.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:23 pm to buckeye_vol
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But people are far more likely to flood the hospitals in this case now that hysteria has set it.
You think people are more likely to go to a hospital if they know it is filled with people carrying a potential deadly disease?!? Most people will avoid such a hot zone unless they have no alternative.
You are making pure conjecture and stating it as fact.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:24 pm to CivilTiger83
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Incomplete analogy... 1 out of 2000 people who get the flu are hospitalized in the US. Do you know the rate of hospitalization for this one? Even if it’s 1 out of 200, that would be a tenfold increase in flu mortality.
Sigh.
It's like most of you only want to think of this as a doomsday scenario. Reason and common sense are apparently frowned upon.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:24 pm to Dizz
We need to purge a lot of the global population in order to survive...let the horsemen of the apocalypse ride!
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:28 pm to buckeye_vol
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They turned an innocuous tweet by an NBA GM that had gone relatively unnoticed, and would have gone completely unnoticed in China, into an international controversy. If that’s the kind of overreaction they have to their feelings getting hurt, which shouldn’t have even resulted in a reaction altogether, imagine their potential overreaction m to something that does require a legitimate and serious reaction.
Actually the opposite is more likely true. The fact that the Chinese government is so sensitive to criticism means they are more likely to hide and underreport a crisis... and the underground voices are telling us as much.
Can you and slackster find somewhere else to take your hot takes? We have an actual person on this board in China in a closed off zone looking for news on this thread. It’s real for him and his family. We don’t need 4 pages of shitposting from you and slackster.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:29 pm to slackster
quote:from the CDC stats I saw, it's less than 10%. Where are you getting this info?
Think about this - in the US, if you're hospitalized with the flu, there is 10-15% chance you'll die.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 7:31 pm to wdhalgren
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There is at least one significant difference between this and influenza. In this country a signficant portion of the high risk population is vaccinated against the flu. None of those people are vaccinated against this strain of coronavirus.
Y'all continue to miss the point. The only reason this is a big deal and the seasonal flu isn't is because this is new. That's it. Plain and simple.
Remember swine flu? Yeah, that flu was actually less fatal than the average season flu.
Think about this for a minute - 61,000 people were killed by the flu in America last year,.a shot exists that significantly helps keep those numbers down, and MOST Americans don't even get the damn shot, but if 8,000 people across the world get this new coronavirus, we panic?
It's patently absurd.
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