re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

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Yeah. Because I just slapped a label on you. Never mind you literally did exactly what I accused you of in this thread, assuming a master plan and degrading anyone who doubt it. Yep. Jumped straight to that conclusion.

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Nope, I said we have either chosen not to test or didn't have the ability to test, because the low level of testing is undeniable. You slapped a label because that's your go to response for anyone who questions your opinion.

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Except while case numbers are high, the severity markers for influenza this season (hospitalization rate/death rate) are actually relatively lower.

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Even if relatively lower numbers and severity, still massively higher than Covid at this point. So Covid numbers can still be buried in influenza cases, including both mild and severe cases.

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So we are right back where my either/or statement was with stating that it is already broken containment and rampant in the US, is the same as saying the disease is indistinguishable from the flu on a clinical basis.

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Your either/or is a straw man argument. Saying that a virus has broken containment is not close to the same as saying it is already rampant in the US, which nobody has said. And if you think a clinician can reliably diagnose flu vs Covid infections solely on clinical grounds, you need to write a paper and inform the medical community how to do that.

More cases in Italy overnight. Cases now in Austria, Switzerland, Croatia, Hungary. Iran's health minister and the mayor of Tehran infected. S. Korea's president says situation is "very grave" there.

This little bug appears to be very contagious. Is it as contagious as super contagious measles or more in line with influenza? Is it only passed through fluid swap or do we know any of that yet? I am a little late to the party and I don't want to read the entire thread to answer my question. Thanks in advance to any responses.

CT scans are proving to be much more accurate in detecting the virus than the oral tests. Sometimes by as much as a week earlier.

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CT scans are proving to be much more accurate in detecting the virus than the oral tests. Sometimes by as much as a week earlier.

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If you have a link I'd appreciate that. It was reported a few weeks ago that the Chinese were using CT scans to make the diagnosis but I haven't seen details of how that supposedly works. A CT scan won't actually see or identify the virus particle, but it might show characteristic patterns of infection or inflammation (in the lung I presume) that help differentiate the pathogens.

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Not good news: @WHO's Bruce Aylward says that the #Covid19 mission did not find evidence of lots of undetected mild cases. If that's true, the severity of the illness is what is being seen now.

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I'd like to find out more about this snippet. Doesn't seem to match something like the Diamond Princess where more than half the confirmed cases were asymptomatic.

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Per Volvagia, any doctor or hospital can get a test done. This seems like conspiracy hogwash

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I recanted that statement FWIW.

It appears that they aren’t holding it close to the vest as to who is allowed to test.

However at the moment there is a supply issue and waiting lists on who gets the test.

Once it’s resolved we can have that level of testing everywhere as needed.


As of now though the 3/4 locations that are confirmed to have testing ability aren’t saturated by less than 500 tests in the past 2 week period so it’s a moot point right now. Once it gets to community level infection that’s a whole new story.

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If you have a link I'd appreciate that.

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Here is a good LINK.

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To identify common CT findings based upon the time between symptom onset and initial CT exam, the research team analyzed chest CTs from 121 patients (61 men and 60 women) who had been diagnosed with and exhibited symptoms of COVID-19 from four centers in China from Jan. 18, 2020, to Feb. 2, 2020.

For 94 participants, researchers knew the time between the initial emergence of symptoms and a chest CT – early (0-2 days), intermediate (3-5 days), and late (6-12 days). Among those who were imaged early, the team found ground-glass abnormalities, as well as “crazy paving” development. A lack of ancillary chest CT findings, including lymphadenopathy, pleural effusions, pulmonary nodules, and lung cavitation is also characteristic of early COVID-19 cases. Individuals further along in the disease course exhibited increasing consolidation.

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I think this is the actual study from the above article.

And here is another article that delves into the subject (and reviews some other research?)

By the same token, that would indicate the virus is not as widespread and maybe asymptomatic transmssion isnt as much of a threat.